--- Scribe1865@xxxxxxx wrote: > In a message dated 3/16/2004 2:28:30 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > goya@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > "The alternatives open to Spain are to take the same > route as France, > Germany, and many other European countries: they can > henceforth cease their slavish > adulation of a corrupt, imperialist and hegemonic > American government, refrain > from illegal invasions of secular states that have > *diddly-squat* to do with > terrorism, and respect the international rule of > law." > > That way, when Spain is attacked again, they will > have allies who will do . . . what? And UK and USA helped Spain how? I mean I'm sure Bush and Blair offer any assistance they can, but what exactly can they do? Trans-Atlantic politics have little to do with fighting terrorism because what is called war on terrorism has little to do with fighting terrorism in the first place. Intelligence co-operation, freezing of assets, etc. were I believe first advanced by the French and only after 9/11 did USA co-opt the cause. USA and European countries have every reason to co-operate on these matters and none not to, and they do which is a very good thing indeed. I've read several condemnations of Spain's government to be for caving in to terrorists by pulling out of Iraq, thus giving al Qaeda exactly what they wanted. Had they not, they would be accused of breaking their campaign promise and allowing terrorists to draw them deeper in the conflict thus giving al Qaeda exactly what they wanted. I may personally not agree with the decision, but the real blame here falls to Anzar for dragging a country into a war in the first place despite nearly unanimous opposition by his own people. It is not courageous leadership but a mockery of democracy even if done for best of reasons. Or as a prominent Finnish politican put it after a particulary bitter defeat: "People have spoken. End of discussion." Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland > > Don't get me wrong. It's always good to refrain from > illegal invasions and > respect international law. But how will it help > fight terrorism? > > Speaking of corruption, the 2004 global report on > the state of corruption and > freedom in the world is available from Transparency > Internal. One can go to > http://www.transparency.org/dnld/invite_gcr.pdf and > pick it up. > > EY > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, > vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html