In his interesting post, L. K. Helm writes (¨The arts and the Peloponnesian War"): "Someone I read recently (I don't think it was Hanson) wrote, in effect, that more great works of literature were written in and about war than in and about peace. I believe it was with that understanding that Fukuyama didn't end his title with The End of History, but added The Last Man. Nietzsche's "Last Man" lives during a time of perpetual peace and creates no great works of art - or anything else. It is during some form of aggressive affirmation rather than passive acceptance that the great works are created - so Nietzsche and Fukuyama would have argued, and they may have been influenced in this to some extent by their study of the Peloponnesian War." We´ve discussed this with Geary and Ritchie. Indeed, when it comes to the Great War, and even the Phoney War, it´s the songs that made them memorable (from "There´s a long long trail" -- pre-Great War but stupid and meaningless unless re-analysed in bellic(ose) terms to ¨"Blue birds flying the White Cliffs of Dover", which must have escaped from the cage of an American submarine on the English channel, as the bird is inexistent in England (as a species -- and the song is only a future congintent, ¨There´ll be blue birds flying¨, not that they are. I could write miles about war and songs and war and art -- indeed the Japanese have the martial arts (tae kwon do) but McCreery, who´s going Japanese with a straight face (not irony intended) must know about the proper Missouri terms for that. Problem, Helm, is that war also provokes dudes like Wystan Hugh Auden who during a war will write AGAINST a war (¨The War Requiem¨) and while the Astors and the Vanderbilts will not applaud its performance at the Carnegie, the Leftist intelligentsia gathered around Columbia (or is it Colombia, I never know). With the Greeks we have to be careful. After all, it´s the Herodotian ¨Persian War¨, which predated the Peloponnesian (not to mention -- then why do? -- the semi-mythical Troy) which united the Greeks, but other than the magnificent full length statuary in the round of Leonidas at Thermopylae, nothing much remains in terms of artistic heritage. When it comes to Athens, we have to be careful in distiguishing different uses of art of the propagandistic type pro war. It´s odd that we see statues of athletes rather than warriors. True, Polykleitus´s KANON is the Spear-Bearer (Doruphoros) but there´s no doubt that no war was meant by the predecessor, Myron´s Diskobolos. With Hellenism all art went to the dogs, so it´s good to keep, as Helm does, the focus on the classical art and not necessarily Athenian. I think we can leave Nietzsche aside (of course unless you enjoy his writings!). Ares was the god of war before the Peloponnesian, before the Persian, and before the Trojan war, so the religious and war-mongering associations of the art-instinct in the only civilisation worth studying its history, there were indeed NO PEACE TIMES worth even talking about. What disturbs me a bit is William Blake RICHMOND. He is not a well known Victorian painter, who spent two years in the Peloponnesian peninsula when it wasn´t precisely fashionable, and yet his claim to fame is this statue which he kept in his studio and called "An Arcadian Shepherd". Having been through Argos and Sparta and Olympia, he decided that what he loved best -- and sometimes I agree -- about Pelopponesian art is the ability and the freedom that gives to utter, naked on a sunny day, ET IN ARCADIA EGO J. L. Speranza (Vacationing on Villa Speranza) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com