One more question. If you think the Prohibition analogy is so apt, can you expand on it? Are you saying that if the U.S. were to outlaw corporal punishment, therefore child beating speak easies would form? I don't quite follow how you got from outlawing hitting children to outlawing alcohol. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Spiegel To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 2/17/2006 2:04:57 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: English Pubic Schools Marlena - It should be illegal for Irene/Andy and her husband to drink wine while watching movies. Or to serve it during one of their parties. When she does it, she is advocating alcholism, drunk driving, underage drinking, etc etc. There are no limits on it because she is advocating it when she/he is even drinking in moderation. If it was illegal to drink alcohol, there would be no drunk driving, no underage drinking, no alcoholism, etc etc. Hoping Andy/Irene is tossing out the wine she just bought for the weekend and expecting the start of a new prohibition movement, Marlena in Missouri Hi Marlena - We've already gone through Prohibition. Haven't we learned anything from it? Prohibit something and you make it all the more powerful and pervasive. Make it illegal and we as a society will suffer all the more for it. That alone is reason enough to avoid such measures. There are other persuasive reasons too, but they pale in comparison. "Forbidden fuit" as a proverb is meaningful because we know what forbidding something means. Maybe you're such a "good" girl you're willing to comply. Most of us aren't so compliant. Stan Spiegel Portland, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: eternitytime1@xxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: English Pubic Schools Hi, I suppose the quip that Irene/Andy has in mind is this: "What one does in moderation, others will excuse in excess." It's actually something that I learned in a Christian training class for people who might *someday* want to be parents or who were already parents or who wanted to get their lives 'right' with their parents/kids. It's sometimes a useful principle to pay attention to...and has been used to advocate certain positions such as Andy/Irene's. As in the spanking issue, that way of thinking/principle is often used to explain why there should be no alcohol. At all. That there should be laws to state that there should be none sold and that if you sell it or buy it, you ought to be jailed/arrested. In fact, when Irene/Andy drinks alcohol while watching a movie or serve it at a party--then she/he is saying to the rest of the world that it is okay to drink alchohol no matter what the reaction to your body will be, or how much you will drink. It should be illegal for Irene/Andy and her husband to drink wine while watching movies. Or to serve it during one of their parties. When she does it, she is advocating alcholism, drunk driving, underage drinking, etc etc. There are no limits on it because she is advocating it when she/he is even drinking in moderation. If it was illegal to drink alcohol, there would be no drunk driving, no underage drinking, no alcoholism, etc etc. Hoping Andy/Irene is tossing out the wine she just bought for the weekend and expecting the start of a new prohibition movement, Marlena in Missouri -----Original Message----- From: Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:58:44 -0500 Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: English Pubic Schools ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 2/17/2006 9:41:37 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: English Pubic Schools In a message dated 2/17/2006 6:59:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: My point is that there needs to be a blanket law of you keep your hands to yourself no matter what. Then there will be no extensive beatings. Hi, Irene, It is already illegal to do extensive beatings. ***If it was illegal to do any beatings, there would be no extensive beatings.