Hi, Stan, Thanks for the post. I think that was (somewhat) my point. When Irene/Andy advocates making it competely totally against the law to strike or spank someone-anyone-especially a child, she/he is trying to state (I thought) that it would keep it from happening at all. I was hoping to point out, somewhat indirectly, that it did not happen with Prohibition (and yay, someone did pick up on that part <g>), so that perhaps that might be why the steps have been taken to outlaw the severe beating/bruising of children versus the swat to get someone to not run out in the street. In fact, I was recently looking at the levels of alcohol drinking for young adults--it is significantly down. (alot of that has to do with the DARE programs which assign cops from local police forces or sherrifs or similar types to teach the curriculum. Those programs are all on Bush's chopping block again, too--) In fact, the advertising for 'don't drink and drive' has also significantly cut down the numbers of young ones who do that--they are very aware and tend to either designate drivers, arrange to stay over wherever or get some other person to come and pick them up. I think focusing on the horrific aspects of child abuse and setting up dire consequences to those is somewhat similiar to that being done with driving under the influence, etc. The educating on alternate strategies of discipline besides spanking, providing parent education classes, etc is similiar to that of the DARE programs, the ads espousing 'don't drink and drive' and such. Hopefully that helps clarify what I was trying to say...and at least the MAIN point was communicated! <wry look> Best, Marlena -----Original Message----- From: Stan Spiegel writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx Hi Marlena - We've already gone through Prohibition. Haven't we learned anything from it?