[lit-ideas] Re: Eliot (and Oregon as Suburb)
- From: Judy Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:23:31 +0100
Monday, June 6, 2005, 12:52:25 AM, David Ritchie wrote:
DR> on 6/5/05 4:26 PM, Judy Evans at
DR> judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> Sunday, June 5, 2005, 10:47:50 PM, Robert Paul wrote:
>>
>> RP> Vindication!
>>
>> RP> http://www.oda.state.or.us/information/AQ/AQFall99/07.html
>>
>>
>>> Commission's name was changed to the Oregon Hazelnut Commission
>>> in 1994 to better position the Oregon Filbert in European markets
>>> where the nut was known as hazelnut.
>>
>> My mother taught me about filberts (the longer ones) and hazelnuts.
>> She probably learned it in the US. So perhaps you're growing filberts
>> and we're growing hazelnuts?
>>
>> I think this needs more research...
DR> Look again at what I wrote.
I replied to Robert's post. I thought you and I basically agreed.
DR>What seems to have happened is that a subset name for
DR> hazelnuts persisted here and came to stand for all hazelnuts, while in
DR> Europe the subset name retreated and "hazelnuts" persisted. Thus when
DR> Oregon nuts had to be sold to Old World Nutella eaters, they were re-named
DR> hazelnuts.
But in my little corner of Wales my US-born mother distinguished
between hazelnuts (the smaller rounder ones) and filberts.
DR> Britannica says that filberts are a subset of
DR> the group hazelnuts,
so I assumed -- but Robert may not agree
DR> latin name Corylus Avellana (strictly speaking that's
DR> the latin name for everything in the hazel family, whether or not it bears
DR> nuts). Filberts used to be grown in Kent. I didn't hear the name when
DR> growing up in Kent.
as I said.... (yes I found the Corys name; the tree I posted first
is named a Filbert, fyi)
DR> What seems to have happened is that a subset name for
DR> hazelnuts persisted here and came to stand for all hazelnuts, while in
DR> Europe the subset name retreated and "hazelnuts" persisted. Thus when
DR> Oregon nuts had to be sold to Old World Nutella eaters, they were re-named
DR> hazelnuts.
DR> Can you imagine Nutella being called a Chocolate Filbert Spread?
Can you imagine my mother calling a hazlenut a hazelnut hazelnut and a
filbert "a filbert hazelnut"? -- but yes you can, because that would
be correct. What you can't imagine is that she talked to me about
hazelnuts and filberts. Well whatever.
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