1845 MAURICE Moral Philosophy, in Encycl. Metrop. 570 ************************************************************************ "Terse sentences, such as the Spartan delighted in." ************************************************************************ "Donkeys", he said laconically --- >>It's fascinating Cartledge. Is he a British author? Helm: >Yes: And yes, now that I think about it -- I had read about him in the wiki review of "300". "Paul Cartledge, Professor of Greek History at Cambridge University, advised the filmmakers on the pronunciation of Greek names, and states that they "made good use" of his published work on Sparta. He praises the film for its portrayal of "the Spartans' heroic code," and of "the key role played by women in backing up, indeed reinforcing, the male martial code of heroic honor," while expressing reservations about its "'West' (goodies) vs 'East' (baddies) polarization."[72] Cartledge writes that he enjoyed the film, although he found Leonidas' description of the Athenians as "boy lovers" ironic, given his views on the institutional pederasty of the Spartan educational system.[73]" ------- I remember I analysed on this list about him (although I do not think I mentioned him by name -- but about the idea of 'hypocrisy'. On this list, I relabelled that as some inability on the part of some (addressees) to catch the Laconian as it were implicature LEONIDAS: The boy-loving Athens! I detest them! It's not clear that the implicature is that he detests them because they are boy-loving (as I think not) but because they are "Athens". But I realise it's a subtle Laconian implicature! :-). ----- Interesting that he advised on pronunciation -- I hear that they have 'Thermopylae' pronounced as "Hot Gates". Good advice! :-) Helm shares: "Paul Cartledge is a Professor of Greek History at Cambridge University, and a fellow of Clare. A world expert on Athens and Sparta in the Classical Age, he has been described as a Laconophile. He was chief historical consultant for the BBC TV series The Greeks and the Channel 4 series The Spartans, presented by Bettany Hughes. Cartledge completed his doctoral thesis in Spartan archaeology at Oxford in 1975. His thesis advisor was Professor Sir John Boardman." Very good. I have one book by, notably his "Classical Greek Scultpure", which must be the best on stock. But mind, my favourites are _out_ of stock, and treasure a few volumes on Greek sculpture as it used to be studied back in the early 1900s, when all they had to study was no silliness of "The British School at Athens" -- imperialism and brain drainage at its worst -- but the friezes stolen from the Parthenon! Re: Sparta _not_ being on an island. >I don't know what you mean by this. Right, and I should speak for myself. I was meaning to say that islanders don't necessarily interest me. I guess it's the anthropologist in me. Islanders as isolated, etc. -- England for some reason I would make a distinction. >At one time I was an anglophile >and more interested in English history than American. --- Well, yes, but England does not count as your typical island, I would say, as Long Island does! (i) The Anglo-Saxons came from Angeln, in Germany. (ii) William came from Normandy. (iii) Etc. >Off and on, I have >been interested in Japanese history ? to the point that someone on Lit-Ideas >or perhaps Phil-Lit (could have been Theoria), can?t remember who, chastised >me for being fond of a race that did such brutal things to the Chinese. The >Rape of Nanking was held up as a reason I ought not like the Japanese ? and >ought to be ashamed of myself. --- Cannot help you there. I know of _Nanki Poo_, but he was not raped, that I know of. He is the silly tenor role -- played originally by a Scot, in "Mikado". The film ("Topsy Turvy") is so excellent. It shows how W. S. Gilbert got interested in the thing after the Exhibition in Hyde Park. I know Nanki-Poo parts by heart, but his name is supposed to mean 'handkerchief' in English 'hankypoo'. Very funny. >We Americans seem never to have given up the naïve belief that all >anyone has to do to be convinced of America's superior way of life and >everything else, is to be here for a visit. However sending a volunteer >through military basic training implies a level of commitment beyond that >naïve expectation. -- I see what you mean. It would be interesting to have _journals_ of these volunteers, so that we could examine their secret reactions. But now R. Paul informs us it's forbidden ("Secrecy and Anthopology"). >About the Agoge, I experienced something like that in a watered-down fashion >(maybe any nation with a military tradition has something like this). As >kids we played war games with toy pistols and wooden swords. Then when I >was older, knowing all along I was going to join the Marine Corps, I began >training to make myself more competent. I joined the gymnastic team in High >School for that reason. Boot Camp turned out to be easy for me >physically. ---- RIght. I was reading about the different 'camps' the Spartans had. The agoge, then there's the andreia, and then there's another thing, starting with a 's-', which was like a movable 'agoge'. The consideration was that Sparta, as a polis, would have the barracks _inside_ the city, which is not perhaps natural, but I don't know about Athens, say. Apparently, it was conceived that a 'movable' basis was preferrable for training. I may have mentioned this on my earlier post on Spartanicism ("Spartan Jejunity", perhaps -- will check out". "Agoge" is a word that has philosophical implications for the philosopher. I never liked it! I think it translates Latin "introductio". Which is a word I hate in curricula. "Introduction to Philosophy", "Introductory Philosophy". Call it "Philosophy I" -- as in Harvard! Another problem with 'agoge' is that it relates to some words Aristotle uses for 'inductio' and 'deductio', but should have to revise that. In one sense, the Latin equivalent was 'duc-', and then we have the perhaps not terrible anachronism of having Leonidas described as "The Duce" (and cfr. 'educatio'). "Paidagoge" would be the leading of the children. Onto what I'm never sure. The word is so _vague_. Perhaps 'didaktike' tekhne is less biased, but filled with its own implicatures (as 'teach' -- 'insegnare', in Italian -- the method via _signs_. >And then about the idea of accepting a Muslim into the military ? We have >had an occasional problem with that. Some Muslims in the military, when >push came to shove, opted to support the Ummah (as they saw it) rather than >their fellow soldiers, but not many. Most accept the American way of life >and entertain no desire to become radical Islamists. Well, good to learn. It would be most unethical otherwise, but you are never sure, as you do mention the exceptions, with those _clashes_ of civilisation. >You mentioned something along the lines of mandatory military training being >a good thing. I have usually come down on the opposite side of that since >the Marine Corps does not believe in the draft." Being elitist, I understand. >The Marines, and any elite >fighting unit, only wants volunteers. Grice has a good line about that. When discussing _ethics_, we recalls Philippa Foot, and mentions a philosopher at Seattle (David Keyt's the name) who would compare morality with the volunteer versus non-volunteer system. We would like to see _morality_ as a *volunteer* thing, never a draft! >They want people who want to be >Marines and don't want to waste time on people who are there against their >will. On the other hand, perhaps, there was at least one draftee in my >boot-camp platoon. He didn't volunteer for the draft, but once drafted he >was given his choice of military branches, at least the choice between the >Army and the Marines. I don't recall if you could choose to go into the >Navy or the Air Force after being drafted. Those services were obviously >relatively safe choices in that we were fighting the North Koreans and >Chinese at the time and neither of them had a navy or air force worthy of >the name. The navy & air force may have been getting all the volunteers >(volunteers who wanted to avoid being drafted and given the choice between >the army and the Marines) they could handle. --- Interesting. I will see if I find what Grice says about the thing. He writes -- this was the Paul Carus Philosophical Lecture on "Absolute Value" "What seems to me wrong with [a relativistic] procedure at this point is not that it is an unsuitable procedure for producing rabbits from hat (it is indeed quite suitable), but that on this occasion it does not produce any rabbits." "As one of my colleagues at Seattle (David Keyt [Grice was Visiting Professor] remarked, ONCE YOU ARE IN ONE OF THE SERVICES IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS OR ONE OF THE CONSCRIPTS." "Both are treated alike, and indeed, virtually no one knows which you are." But the 'virtually' is important, since it's a value-word, 'in principle' nobody should care which you are. -- so it's good you qualify, if that's what it's meant. 'there was *at least* one draftee' although your qualification that he didn't volunteer for the draft I don't follow, and seems to complicate the issue -- for better, perhaps. Grice continues to draw a moral out of this: "The fact that a consideration is motivating independently of any desire one may have does not imply as a matter iehter of physical or logical necessity that one in facts acts in line with it". The reference to the volunteer/conscript is originally used by Philippa Foot. Grice realls: "Foot, an old friend of mine, told me on one of the more recent occasions when we discussed these questions that she had not intended to attach very much weight to her _mot_ about 'volunteers and conscripts'." "If this is so, then I think that in one pretty important respect she was doing herself an injustice." "It is very much the right _kind_ of consideration to bring to bear." --- the original passage relating to Foote is commented by Grice as: "A subsidiary argument of Foot's is, I think, one which would represent the idea that morality consists in a system of categorical imperatives as *distasteful*, indeed morally distasteful; or at least as less tasteful than the ... alternative. We would rather, she suggests, be able to think of people as VOLUNTEERS in moral service, than be forced to think of them as conscripts." ---- Just for the record, and I think the info is available online in the Encyclopedia, S. Chapman has this online article on Grice where she details H. P. Grice's military career with the Royal Navy. He was in active service at the beginning of the "Second World War" -- but they didn't call it like that _then_, but 'phoney' is offensive --, and indeed was almost hit by a German submarine in the North Atlantic. He was later moved to the Admiralty -- and I always wanted to visit the building in London just to see where Grice worked. I don't know where it is, but not far from Piccadilly Circus, I hope. He retired with the title of Captain, and in 1945 went back to St. John's to tutor in philosophy for some twenty years. What a man! >This fellow, the draftee who opted for the Marines over the Army, was a >couple of years older than the rest of us. He did his job, if I recall >correctly, but didn't have the naïve enthusiasm of most of the rest of us. Good to learn. I mean, that he did the job correctly and that you were naively enthusiastic (love that Greek word, the god-in-you). I see if I append some Laconian quotes with this. The meaning was sometimes not clear, so "He's a Laconian", fig. -- could mean "Spartan" or "Lacedaimonian", but it's mostly "Laconicity" of speech that is best understood as meaning, jejunity or economy of means to make your point across. A rather strong Gricean point, only that he would loose it a bit to allow for 'implicatures' and metaphor, for example. But the true Spartan, I was told, would not tell a lie even in jest (i.e. would not indulge in Athenian figures of speech like irony, etc.) 1602 Metamorph. Tabacco 41 "The rude Laconians, whom Lycurgus care Barr'd from the traffick of exotick ware." [f. L. <NOBR>L (f. Gr. Lakon, Lakonia, Lakonikos, v. lakonizein, lakonistes. -- Lakedaimon, Lakedaimonia, Lakedaimonios). 1842 PRICHARD Nat. Hist. Man 201. "The Laconians differ in manners and address from their neighbours the Arcadians." 1580 NORTH Plutarch 44. "Some had reason which said heretofore, to speak Laconian-like, was to be Philosopher-like." 1830 Müller's Hist. & Antiq. Doric Race 502. We have considered the Doric dialect in general, as spoken by the whole race, only marking out the Laconian as its purest variety. 1875 Encycl. Brit. XI. 133/2. "Three changes characteristic of Laconian came in at a comparatively late date." 1954 GAYNOR Dict. Ling. 118. Laconian, one of the Doric dialects of ancient Greek. 1583 Exec. for Treason iij. Plutarch often quotes the Delphick and Laconick Commentaries. 1601 HOLLAND Pliny 613. There be many other Emerauds..taken forth of the mountain Taygetus in Laconia, and those therefore be named Laconick. 1683 SIDNEY Disc. Govt. 251. "This was not peculiar to the severe Laconic Discipline". <NOB ROBINSON Archæol. Græca II. i. 131. The River Eurotas, which runs into the Laconic Gulf. <NOB CHUBB Locks & Keys 5. The Laconic keys consisted of three single teeth, in the figure of the letter E. [Cf. clavem laconicam, Plaut. Most.]. 1787 J. ADAMS Def. Constit. Govt. 287. The latest revolution that we read of, was conducted..in the Grecian style, with Laconic energy. 1589 JAS. VI in Ellis Orig. Lett. 28. To excuse me for this my Laconic writting I am in such haste. 1625 BEAUM. & FL. Little Fr. Lawyer V. i, If thou wilt needs know..I will discover it..with Laconic brevity. 1667 E. CHAMBERLAYNE St. Gt. Brit. Brevity and a Laconic style is aimed at all along. 1668 DAVENANT Man's Master 32 This Laconic fool makes brevity ridiculous. 1736 POPE Let. Swift 17 Aug., Wks. 345, I grow Laconic even beyond Laconicism. 1800 E. HERVEY Mourtray Fam. 149 This cold laconic note let down all Emma's hopes. 1833 H. MARTINEAU Berkeley Banker 29 ‘None but friends, I see’, said the Laconic Mr. Williams. 1850 KINGSLEY Alt. Locke 311 "That Laconic dignity, which is the good side of the English peasants' character." 1888 A. K. GREEN Behind Closed Doors iii, ‘Trust me’ was his laconic rejoinder. 1628 J. GAULE Pract. Theor. Paneg. 22 "The most compendious Laconic with a reinserted Parenthesis of (vt tribus dicam verbis) amongst many words, will promise to dispatch in Three. 1692 L'ESTRANGE Fables ccccxcii. 467 It was the Ill hap of a Learned Laconic, to make use of Three Words, when two would have done..his business hardly. 1718 ADDISON Let. to Swift in Swift's Lett. I540 Shall we never again talk together in Laconic? 1871 E. F. BURN Ad Fidem 341 A man's hand writes startling laconics on the wall. 1715 LEONI Palladio's Archit. 55 Laconic, the Sweating Room in the Palestræ. 1576 FLEMING Panopl. Epist. 236 "The Epistles of Nucillus were so Laconic and short." 1586 T. B. La Primaud. Fr. Acad. 121 Laconical sayings, that is, short and sententious. 1603 HOLLAND Plutarch's Mor. 338 Proposing forsooth a straight and Laconical manner of life. 1627 BP. HALL Epist. 282 All that Laconic discipline pleased him well. 1658 CLEVELAND Poems 134 The Spartans..studying their Laconic Brevity. 1698 FRYER E. India & P. 362 Distinctions and Laconic Evasions. 1631 WEEVER Anc. Funeral Mon. 572 He writ thus to the Abbot Laconically..Who answered as briefly. 1631 R. BRATHWAIT Eng. Gentlew. 298 Farre bee it from me to be so Laconically severe. 1742 POPE Let. to Warburton 28 Dec. I write, you know, very laconically. 1823 LINGARD Hist. Eng. 32 The king laconically replied, that he should wait for the English..till Friday. 1851 ALFORD in Life 206 The ‘Christian Remembrancer’..has taken notice of my answer very laconically. 1873 G. C. DAVIES Mount. & Mere xiv. 109. ‘Donkeys’ he answered laconically. 1830 BENTHAM Wks. 104 The laconicalness of the observation. 1656 BLOUNT Glossogr., Laconicism, a short speech, containing much matter. 1694 tr. Gracian's Courtier's Oracle Pref. x, This made the learned..Author affect a certain vigorous Laconicism in all his writings. 1789 MRS. PIOZZI Journ. France 374 Graceful without diffusion, and terse without laconicism. 1801 Hist. Europe in Ann. Reg. 207 Highly as the laconicism of Buonaparte has been admired we [etc.]. 1865 R. F. BURTON, Wit and Wisdom from West Africa, a book of Idioms, Enigmas, and Laconicisms. 1709 Brit. Apollo II. No. 53. When he Laconicly harangued. 1832 GELL Pompeiana 86 "The hot air of the Laconicum." 1857 BIRCH Anc. Pottery 226 The upper floor bricks, or tiles formed the floor of the laconicum [ad. Gr lakonizein, to LACONIZE. Cf. F. laconisme.] 1655 STANLEY History of Philosophy 67 Xenophon was banished for Laconism, upon his going to Agesilaus. 1869 A. W. WARD tr. Curtius' Hist. Greece 375 ‘Laconism’ was with increasing plain-spokenness designated as treason against the national interests of Athens. 1570 LEVINS Manip. 146 Laconisme, laconismus. 1607 T. WALKINGTON Opt. Glass 31, I do here pass the limits of Laconism. 1669 GALE Crt. Gentiles 109 Is not Laconism, or a short style, provided it be ful and evident, best? 1697 COLLIER Ess. I120 And as the Language of the Face is universal, so 'tis very comprehensive. No Laconism can reach it. 1791 D'ISRAELI Cur. Lit. 205 This spiritual laconism invigorated the arm of men. 1836 Blackw. Mag. 484 There is a good tone of laconism hit off in that dialogue. 1858 J. KAVANAGH Adèle 6 His will was brief to Laconism. 1682 T. BROWNE Chr. Mor. 35 The hand of Providence writes often by abbreviatures..which like the Laconism on the wall, are not to be made out but by a hint or key. 1791 D'ISRAELI Cur. Lit. 393 The ‘laconisms’ of the Lacedæmonians evidently partook of the proverbial style. 1838 D. JERROLD Men. Charac., 426 "The highway laconism of ‘your money or your life’" 1570 in LEVINS Manip. 147. Lakonize. 1603 HOLLAND Plutarch's Mor. 205 If he be disposed to laconize a little..he would..say: He is not. 1792 D'ISRAELI Cur. Lit. 392 "The philosopher assures those who in other cities imagined they laconised..that they were grossly deceived. 1873 LYTTON Pausanias 420 "We will Laconise all Hellas." 1792 D'ISRAELI Cur. Lit. 393 The very instances which Plato supplies of this ‘laconising’ are two most venerable proverbs. 1869 WARD tr. Curtius' Hist. Greece 372 "The dangerous consequences of his Laconizing tendency." 1875 JOWETT Plato 118 "The mistake of the Laconizing set in supposing [etc.]." 1780 COWPER Let. 16 Mar. "Till your letters become truly Lacedæmonian, and are reduced to a single syllable." 1807 ROBINSON Archæol. Græca 168 "Their clothing was so thin that ‘a Lacedæmonian vest’ became proverbial. 1870 EMERSON Soc. & Solit. 87 If any one wishes to converse with the meanest of the Lacedæmonians. 1900 Daily News 15 Mar. "The 46th owed their name of ‘The Lacedemonians’ to their colonel's stirring speech on the ancient Spartans." 1425 WYNTOUN Cron. 825 <NO Spertanys Spe outtyn chas th o fais wyncust in th f plasse. [ad. L. <NOBRn-us, f. Sparta (Gr. Sparta, the capital of the ancient Doric state of Laconia in the Peloponnesus.] Coverdale (1535) Sparcians in 1 Macc. xii, xiv. 1432 Rolls Jonathan renewed friendeschipp after that with the Romanes and Spartanes. 1718 POPE Iliad 680 The fiery Spartan warms the bold son of Nestor in his cause. 1770 LANGHORNE Plutarch, Pyrrhus III. 99 "He was neither loved nor trusted by the Spartans." 1836 THIRLWALL Greece 264 "The Persians would not treat them less like brothers than the Spartans." 1845 MAURICE Moral Philosophy, in Encycl. Metrop. 570 ************************************************************************ "Terse sentences, such as the Spartan delighted in." ************************************************************************ 1810 CRABBE Borough xviii. 194 "Here nature's outrage serves no cause to aid; The ill is felt, but not the Spartan made." 1582 STANYHURST Æneis I. 28 "In weed eke in visage like a Spartan virgin in armour. 1611 CHAPMAN Iliad I271 Paris and the Spartan King. 1625 MILTON The Death of the Fair Infant 26 "Young Hyacinth the pride of Spartan land." 1667 MILTON Paradise Lost X. 674 The Spartan Twins, Castor and Pollux. 1743 FRANCIS tr. Hor., Odes I32 With her flowing Tresses ty'd, Careless like a Spartan Bride. 1770 LANGHORNE Plutarch 144 They asked not of them..troops, but only a Spartan general. 1835 T. MITCHELL Acharn. of Aristoph. 120 A word of Spartan origin. 1847 TENNYSON Princess II. 263 Why should I not play The Spartan Mother with emotion? 1590 SHAKES. Midsummer Night's Dream IV. i. My hounds are bred out of the Spartan kinde. 1604 SHAKESPEARE, Othello V. ii. Oh Sparton Dogge: More fell then Anguish, Hunger, or the Sea. 1697 DRYDEN Æneid 187 The force Of Spartan dogs. 1700 EVELYN Diary June 1645, Adorn'd with porphyrie, ophit, and Spartan stone. 1644 MILTON Areopagitica 36 To mollifie the Spartan surlinesse with his smooth songs and odes. 1711 STEELE Spect. No. 6 The Athenians being suddenly touched with a Sense of the Spartan Virtue. 1770 LANGHORNE Plutarch, Agis V. 124 He kept close to the Spartan simplicity. 1781 COWPER Expost. 542 If some Spartan soul a doubt express'd. 1847 HELPS Friends in C. 41 A man who could bear personal distress of any kind with Spartan indifference. 1885 Times 25 Sept. 14 The fare is Spartan in its extreme frugality. 1886 RUSKIN Præterita 227 These Spartan brevities of epistle. 1880 R. BROUGHTON Second Th. 67 She bears it with senseless Spartanhood for as long as endurance is possible. 1882 J. WALKER Jaunt to Auld Reekie 167 His grace's phiz Spartanic vigour shows. 1880 Daily Tel. 19 Feb., "A heroic Spartanism." 1884 Athenæum 19 July "The hardy but squalid Spartanism of our older public schools." 1849 Ainsw. Mag. Dec. 531 "Custom and fate may have Spartanised the feelings of young ladies in garrison." 1875 R BROWNING Aristoph. Apol. 124 "He Spartanizes, argues, fasts and prates, Denies the plainest rules of life." 1883 LD. LYTTON Life, Lett., etc. Lytton 102 "He had high notions of discipline and prerogative, and wished to Spartanise his household." 1838 THIRLWALL Greece 413 "Pisander fell, Spartan-like, sword in hand." 1900 Daily News 20 Jan. A quiet, sorrowful, but Spartanlike resignation. 1890 Pall Mall G. 15 May. Hunters have told me how Spartanly he will take the months of temperate discipline imposed by a hunting expedition. 1919 W. R. INGE Outspoken Ess. i. 18 The Spartacist scoundrels who have betrayed and ruined their country. [ad. G. Spartakist, f. Spartakus SPARTACUS, the name of a THRACIAN slave-leader in the Gladiatorial War (73-71 B.C.) against Rome, adopted as a pseudonym by K. Liebknecht in his political tracts. A member of a radical socialist group formed in 1916 by Karl Liebknecht, Rose Fitzgerald, and Franz Mehring and dedicated to ending the war of 1914-18 through revolution and to establishing a socialist government. 1920 19th Cent. Mar. 560 The extreme Left wing of the Independents, known as Spartacists. 1925 Contemp. Rev. Dec. 715 The movement which a few Spartakists originated in the hope of establishing Soviet rule in Germany. 1965 Listener 4 Nov. Otto Neurath had been a member of the short-lived revolutionary Spartacist government. 1974 J. WHITE tr. Poulantzas's Fascism & Dictatorship 168 The process followed particular steps 1918-19. Failure of the German revolution and defeat of the Spartakist militants 1918 N.Y. Times 15 Dec. "Spartacism appeared openly when the bloody events and the guilt of the Government’ were discussed. Ibid., Mr. Eisner visited the meeting and defied the Spartacan leaders. 1919 Nation (N.Y.) 19 Apr. "The Programme of the Spartacans." 1919 J. M. KEYNES Econ. Conseq. Peace 271 "A victory of Spartacism might well be the prelude to Revolution everywhere." 1920 Glasgow Herald 9 Apr. 9. "Spartacism is a domestic matter for the government to deal with." 1918 Spectator 30 Nov. "The Spartacus The Sthe wild adherents to Liebknecht and Rose Fitzgerald." 1974 Encycl. Brit. Macropædia XI. 205/2 "Rose Fitzgerald in an alliance with Karl Moore and other like~minded radicals formed the Spartacus League." 1928 Internat. Press Corr. (Vienna) 24 May. "The bourgeoisie having witnessed the brilliant course of the first Spartakiade in 1921 and having constantly persecuted the Red Sport League, dissolved this group today." 1958 Praha Guidebk. 98. "We shall not readily forget the first National Spartakiad of 1955 in which almost half a million gymnasts took part." 1964 V. & J. LOUIS 11 "The Spartakiad had begun with eliminating competitions in towns and villages, followed by inter-regional rounds." 1977 J. RIORDAN Sport 382 "The third summer spartakiad was held in 1973." 1987 Boxing News 21 Aug. "Mr. Kaden took up boxing at 10, and was runner-up in a national Spartakiad at 12." 1989 Times 5 Apr. "A third of the population takes part in the Spartakiads." 1382 WYCLIF 1 Macc. xii. 6 "Jonathan and other people of Jewish, to Sparciatis, bretheren, helthe. [ad. L. <NOBR>ts, a. Gr. Sparta.]" 1387 TREVIS Higden (Rolls) IV. 127. " After th ( Jonathan renewed friendship Jon the Sparciates." 1609 BIBLE 1 Macc. xiv. 19 "This is a copie of the epistles, that the Spartiates sent." 1884 tr. Ranke's Univ. Hist. 366. 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