In a message dated 7/13/2009 12:17:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phil.enns@xxxxxxxxx writes: Given the little in the quote, I think Strawson has Kant quite wrong. Agree with the sentiments Strawson expresses? Absolutely not! ---- I think that's the general sentiment. That Strawson Kant Kant. ---- Of course I disagree. But in any case, the problem of 'God' should be tangential to the whole project. It is said that Strawson found Kant appealing -- not just because he HAD to teach him at Oxford -- and he kept the notes and turned them into a book (Grice was also surprised at the speed Strawson would publish. Grice never published a book in his whole life). Strawson found Kant appealing, they say, as a way to understand the Vienna circle and positivism. Grice had criticised Ayer -- fresh from Vienna -- for having denied the 'importance' of qualia ('The Causal Theory of Perception', 'Some remarks about the senses', etc.). But Strawson was _never_ intersted in qualia or the philosophy of perception. He was rather into big-sized objects -- spatio-temporal continuants. So he found Kant's ideas of the Phainomenon and the Noumenon (rejected) congenial. He noted that the Sinnlichkeit marking the Grenzen was even better than much of the twaddle by Wittgenstein about _Language_ being the bounds of our "World". So, instead of assuming an Aristotelian metaphysics ('descriptive metaphysics' as Strawson calls it versus 'revisionary'), he went "Ariskantian" -- he shows the Kant provides a transcendental ARGUMENT (that Strawson adored) about WHY 'spatio-temporal continuants' is all we should care about it. Note that before "The Bounds of Sense" he had published "Individuals: an essay in descriptive metaphysics". This is "Strawson-for-the-masses" though. A deep study of Strawson needs to take into consideration his many essays -- and the festchrift by Straaten --, e.g. those collected in "Freedom and Resentment and other essays", "Logico-Linguistic Papers" or "Entity and Identity and other essays" (my favourite collection). And then he died. --- In the collection of essays one sees the _serious_ Strawson, arguing in detail with specimens of ordinary language he knew so well (as per his seminal first book, Introduction to Logical theory, 1952). In "Bounds of Sense" he _Has_ to be 'didactic' and some readers miss the whole point of the Strawsonian enterprise. Strawson, like Grice, never TOUCHED the topic of "God". Strawson _had_ to mention God in passing since, well, Kant was confused about this (regulative idea) and he needed to educate his tutees -- in case any of them would commit the gaffe of dropping from the Lit. Hum. programme -- although himself was a PPE programme -- and turn into a Doctor of Divinity who'd grow little wings and an 'aureola' after death -- and be referred as a 'saint'. Cheers, J. L. Speranza, Buenos Aires, Argentina **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html