Jl wrote: "But you'll agree that, as per my quote in my previous: <snip Strawson quote>" Agree to what? I haven't read the book, so I can't agree that you are quoting what Strawson wrote. Agree with Strawson about Kant? Assuming the quote is accurate and in context, no, I don't agree. Given the little in the quote, I think Strawson has Kant quite wrong. Agree with the sentiments Strawson expresses? Absolutely not! The notion of 'Us' as 'civilized people' who are somehow the sharp point of the spear of history's progress is a decidedly dangerous idea that, in its political form, has always, and certainly recently, had tragic consequences. I really like computers, penicillin, airplanes and many of the other things modern science has given us, but to suggest that science has somehow advanced our knowledge of why there is something rather than nothing, given clarity to the pursuit of the Good or Happiness, or provided answers to why innocent people suffer evil, is to be not only wrong, but worse, confused. Of course, if the Strawson quote does not accurately reflect the larger arguments of Strawson, then nevermind. Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html