Just caught this. This isn't a war? Somebody should tell CNN to stop show= ing all those bombed out buildings and counting dead bodies. Invading a co= untry with aircraft and tanks and other paraphernalia that spew violence is= the definition of war. Aggressive acts against sovereign states are well = precedented, and they're always called war. BTW, what did you (if you were= around back then) call Vietnam? The nightly news called it a war. Come t= o think of it, they say war comes in 20 year cycles, and it's been over 20 = years since Vietnam. Gulf I (Gulf War I)was a piker. Maybe we were overdu= e to kick some butt. Scratched an itch. Nuff said. -----Original Message----- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx Sent: Apr 30, 2004 10:39 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Crusade L. J. Kramer: "But this "war," which is only a war because we don't have a better word for what it is..." L. Simmons: "How about "crusade"? That's what you think it is, isn't it?" M. Geary:=20 "Thank you, Lance." For what it's worth -- the entry for 'crusade' in the OED. Some interesting= =20 quotes. Cheers, JL --- From the OED "crusade" Etymology. =3D mod.F. croisade (=3D OF. croisee), Pr. crozada, Sp. cruzada,= It.=20 crociata, med.L. cruciata (cruzata), being in the various langs. the fem. n= oun=20 of action formed on pa. pple. of crucire, crociare, cruzar, croiser to CROS= S,=20 lit. a being crossed, a crossing or marking with the cross, a taking the=20 cross: cf. the early F. croisement. The earliest and only ME. equivalents w= ere=20 CROISERIE (13th-15th c.), and CROISEE (15-17th c.), from the corresponding = OF.=20 words. In 16th c. French, crois=C3=A9e was displaced by croisade, with the = new ending=20 -ade, adapted from the -ADA of Proven=C3=A7al and Spanish. This croisade ap= peared=20 in Eng. c.1575, and continued to be the leading form till c.1760 (see Johns= on's=20 Dict.). About 1600, the Sp. cruzada made its appearance under the forms=20 crusada and crusado (see -ADO); a blending of this with croisade produced t= wo=20 hybrid forms, viz. croisado (-ada), with French stem and Spanish ending, fr= equent=20 from c. 1611 to 1725, and crusade, with Spanish stem and French ending,=20 mentioned by Johnson, 1755, only as a by-form of croisade, but used by Gold= smith and=20 Gibbon, and now universal. From 15th to 17th c. occasional attempts to adop= t=20 the med.L. and other Romanic forms, as cruciat, -ada, -ade, cruceat, were m= ade:=20 see CRUCIADE.] =20 Usages. 1. Hist. A military expedition undertaken by the Christians of Europe in th= e=20 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.= =20 a.=20 1577 HARRISON England III. iv. (1878) II. 29 At such time as Baldwine=20 archbishop of Canturburie preached the Croisad there. 1616 JAS. I. Remonstr= . Right of=20 Kings Wks. 445 All such..as undertooke the Croisade became the Pope's meere= =20 vassals. 1753 CHESTERFIELD Lett. (1774) IV. 6 His history of the Croisades.= =20 1769 BLACKSTONE Comm. IV. 416 The knight errantry of a croisade against the= =20 Saracens. b.=20 1611 SPEED Hist. Gt. Brit. IX. xx. (1632) 965 A Croisado against the Turkes= .=20 c1645 HOWELL Lett. IV. xix. (1892) 592 A Croisada to the Holy Land. 1758=20 CHESTERFIELD Lett. cxxxi, This gave rise to the Croisadoes, and carried suc= h swarms=20 of people from Europe to the..Holy Land. =20 c.=20 1631 WEEVER Anc. Fun. Mon. 793 To preach the Crusado. a1678 MARVELL Poems,= =20 Britannia & Raleigh, Her true Crusada shall at last pull down The Turkish= =20 crescent and the Persian sun. 1765 H. WALPOLE Otranto v. (1834) 249 Until h= is return=20 from the crusado. =20 d.=20 =20 1706 PHILLIPS, Croisado or Crusade. c1750 SHENSTONE Ruined Abbey 118 Here t= he=20 cowl'd zealots..Urg'd the crusade. 1755-73 JOHNSON, Crusade, Crusado: see= =20 Croisade. 1781 GIBBON Decl. & F. III. lxi. 546 The principle of the crusade= s was=20 a savage fanaticism. 1841 W. SPALDING Italy & It. Isl. II. 318 A single=20 campaign of the first crusade, that of 1099. 1856 EMERSON Eng. Traits, Reli= g. Wks.=20 (Bohn) II. 96 The power of the religious sentiment..inspired the crusades. =20 B. transf. Any war instigated and blessed by the Church for alleged religio= us=20 ends, a =E2=80=98holy war=E2=80=99; applied esp. to expeditions undertaken = under papal=20 sanction against infidels or heretics.=20 =20 1603 FLORIO Montaigne II. xxvii. (1632) 393 George Sechell..who under the= =20 title of a Croysada, wrought so many mischiefes. 1624 BP. R. MONTAGU Gagg 9= 5=20 Urban the eight, that now Popeth it, may proclaime a Croisado if hee will. = 1681=20 BURNET Hist. Ref. II. 122 Afterwards croisades came in use; against such pr= inces=20 as were deposed by popes. 1875 STUBBS Const. Hist. III. xviii. 106 Commande= r=20 of a crusade against the Hussites. =20 2. fig. An aggressive movement or enterprise against some public evil, or= =20 some institution or class of persons considered as evil.=20 =20 1786 T. JEFFERSON Writ. (1859) II. 8 Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against= =20 ignorance. 1839 DE QUINCEY Recoll. Lakes Wks. 1862 II. 184 This new crusade= =20 against the evils of the world. 1855 MILMAN Lat. Chr. (1864) IV. VII. i. 25= =20 Dunstan's life was a crusade..against the married clergy. Mod. The Temperan= ce=20 crusade. =20 3. A papal bull or commission authorizing a crusade, or expedition against= =20 infidels or heretics.=20 =20 1588 (title), The Holy Bull and Crusado of Rome, first published by the Hol= y=20 Father, Gregory the XIII. 1643 PRYNNE Sov. Power Parl. App 64 They conclude= d=20 to crave ayd from all Christian Princes, and a Crossado from the Pope again= st=20 the Moores. a1677 BARROW Popes Suprem. Wks. 1859 VIII. 50 To summon or=20 commissionate soldiers by croisade, &c. to fight against infidels. 1724 T. = RICHERS=20 Hist. R. Geneal. Spain 247 The Pope, willing to help the King to sustain th= is=20 War, sent him the Croisade, by which Means he raised 300,000 Ducats. 1771 G= OLDSM.=20 Hist. Eng. I. 317 The pope published a crusade against the deposed monarch. =20 4. Span. Hist. A levy of money, or a sum raised by the sale of indulgences,= =20 under a document called Bula de la cruzada, originally for aggression or=20 defence against the Moors, but afterwards diverted to other purposes. Obs. The sale of the indulgences granted under the Bula became a permanent=20 source of revenue, held by the kings of Spain in consideration of expenses = incurred=20 by them as champions of Catholicism and in the conversion of the American= =20 Indians. A board for the collection and administration of these revenues wa= s=20 created in the 16th c. called Consejo de la Cruzada, the court or tribunal = of the=20 Crusade.=20 =20 1579 FENTON Guicciard. I. (1599) 30 The moneys gathered in Spaine..vnder=20 colour of the Croysade. Ibid. XII. 566 The Pope had transferred to the king= of=20 Aragon for two yeares the moneys and collections called the Croissards of t= he=20 realme of Spaine. 1630 R. Johnson's Kingd. & Commw. 531 His Subsidies which= he=20 levieth extraordinarily (of late times for the most part turned into ordina= ry,=20 as his Croisados). 1655 DIGGES Compl. Ambass. 288 To suffer a levy of money= to=20 be made within his Dominions, termed by the name Crusado, for the maintenan= ce=20 of the Turkish Wars. 1716 in Lond. Gaz. No. 5480/3 The President of the=20 Cruzada is ordered to draw up a perfect Account of the intire Produce of th= e=20 Cruzada, as well in Spain as in the Indies. 1760-72 tr. Juan & Ulloa's Voy.= (ed. 3)=20 II. VII. xii. 132 Here [Peru] is also a court of inquisition, and of the=20 croisade. =20 5. A marking with the cross; the symbol of the cross, the badge borne by=20 crusaders.=20 =20 1613 ZOUCH Dove 43 Like the rich Croisade on th' Imperiall Ball. 1641=20 PRYNNE Antip. 299 He tooke up the Crossado and went..with King Richard..to = the=20 warres in the holy Land. 1700 TYRRELL Hist. Eng. II. 772 He took upon him t= he=20 Crusado, i.e. Vowed an Expedition to the Holy-Land. =20 b. fig. (with allusion to =E2=80=98cross=E2=80=99 in the sense of trial or = affliction). Obs.=20 =20 1654 WHITLOCK Zootomia 531 The Noble Order of the Cruysado Heaven bestoweth= =20 not on Milk-sops. Ibid. 533 The Cruysado, or Crosse of Christ, above all Or= ders=20 taken up by the Potentates of the World. =20 6. attrib.=20 =20 1750 CARTE Hist. Eng. II. 706 The crusado troops of Cardinal Beaufort. 1764= =20 HARMER Observ. XVIII. i. 43 The Croisade army arrived there in the end of M= ay. =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html