[lit-ideas] Re: Correction and Weight Watchers (1974)

  • From: andy amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 11:02:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

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From: Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: May 9, 2004 10:11 AM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Correction and Weight Watchers (1974)

Uh, Andy, hmmm.    How many gay guys do you know personally?

A.A.  Personally?  As in up front and personal?  Let's see.  Probably about as 
many as I know serial killers.  But does that mean the FBI can't profile serial 
killers and know generally what drives them?  Or that only drug addicts know 
why they take drugs, or only serial killers know why they need to kill?  Or 
only prostitutes (male or female) know why they're draw into prostitution and 
not to something else?  Etc. etc.  Do you really think that being something 
gives people any clue to why they do what they do, or can't stop themselves 
from doing what they don't want to do?   A tree can't see the forest.  So, in 
short, yes, I think observing is often a better way to know something than to 
be in the midst of it.

To Erin, porn may be amusing, but my earlier question basically is, how long 
can the same joke be funny?  What is it that keeps porn the biggest industry on 
the internet, if not among the biggest, period.  What makes people keep buying?


Mike Geary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "andy amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:56 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Correction and Weight Watchers (1974)

> You wrote
> That one was shown to me by my friend Alex, last night, when we were
> six packs in the gay bookstore where he used to be employed, flipping
> trashy gay porn,
> A.A.  What is trashy gay porn?  Presumably if there is trashy porn, then
there is classy porn, straight or gay, correct?  Does perfectly shaped
genitalia make classy porn, or is it perhaps the absence of certain
> Erin:  and preparing for our excursion to the Brass Rail, a strip
> club down the road with over priced domestic and bad uncoordinated
> with stupid names like "Star".  All in typical Friday,
> A.A. Interesting.  What are domestic strippers, and, since vendors charge
what the market will bare, uh, bear, in what way are these strippers
> As I said in an earlier post, I never particularly cared about
homosexuality, but lately it seems to be everywhere.  One thing I noticed is
that gay guys have an aura around them of perpetual adolescence.  I'm almost
tempted to think they shave their legs, especially if they're going to be
wearing skirts.  I know drag is popular among gays.  So are gay men really
men or are they wanna be women who are in a sense attracted to the opposite
sex, which is to say, to men?
> My outsider's perspective also tells me that getting old for gay men is
harder than for straight men.  Youth and the body beautiful are highly
prized in the gay community, echoing the way neurotic straight men dump
their mates for younger women.  Since we all lose our charms in the end, is
the gay lifestyle really so gay?  I have also read that domestic violence is
a serious problem in the gay community, so gayness doesn't necessarily (or
perhaps even usually) bring bonded bliss.
> Regarding Jullie Krueger's idea that girls like gays on dates because
there's no pressure to have sex with them, perhaps its the gays who like the
girls on dates.  Gays, to my knowledge, live for sex, which they have almost
compulsively with other men.  Does this beg the question that when sex is so
all pervasive with a compulsive edge to it, is it really fun?  And what is
someone who routinely reads porn really reading, since porn is basically the
same thing over and over.
> A.A.
> Erin
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