It gets tiresome having 'misanthropy' hurled at one as if it's something other than a willingness to see reality for what it is, so when I meet someone who can look at reality and see it for what it is (peak oil theorists notwithstanding) it gives me a little boost that there are, however small a handful, people who get it. Morris Berman was another one who faces reality squarely and doesn't kow tow as if people were something other than ignoramuses. I might take this opportunity to remind you that my position has been the same for years and years, unvindicated, and not once have I wavered on it. That part is not psychologically revealing I imagine? P.S. For anyone interested in acquiring Morris Berman's book, it's going out of print. It's now available at Barnes & Noble for about $2.50 and probably not for a whole bunch longer. No surprise that his book isn't exactly a best seller. --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Conscious after the fact?/Una paloma blanca To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 11:47 PM --- On Mon, 30/6/08, Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >If Freud gave up on humanity, then I'm > certainly vindicated, not that I need to be vindicated, but > I am. Substitute anything for "Freud gave up on humanity", and here we have an assertion that is psychologically revealing; to me if smacks of a certain complacency/dogmatism allied to a capacity to find and exploit supposed 'verifications', while decrying their necessity. If there is no "need to be vindicated" then surely whatever Freud did is otiose and cannot provide vindication? (I'm trying to copyright "Not That I Need To Be Vindicated, But I Am" as song title for a Broadway musical I hope to write, along with "I Don't Apologize For Who I Am, I Just Am" and "Every Street Has A Corner That's Mine, All Mine" etc.) Re David's post:- I didn't find it ugly (that was SpainvItaly as ground down by Italy), am unsure about the Ballack thing (though think it is the kind of thing _he_ would do), and thought Senna was a powerhouse. The headbutt thing was Silva being stupid but the German leant in and they mutually locked horns first - the ref was right to let it go as six of one etc. and on the de minimis principle. The best team of the tournament won and (your own team winning aside) that's always the best thing. (Possible counter-example:- England _if they were the best in '66_ for Alf's wingless wonders lead to copycat 4-4-2 defensiveness that spilled over until a glorious Brazil showed how it should be done four years later; and some Italian teams too, but then they can make defending an art form). Donal Heigh-ho Silva! (That's enough - Ed.) __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html