[lit-ideas] Re: Conscious after the fact?

  • From: Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:43:09 +0000 (GMT)

There is a distinction surely to be drawn between having a test, even a 
compulsory one that is standard to all curriculae, and saying that only those 
who pass this test are licensed by the state to have children? (What would the 
sanction be for having children without a license? etc.) There is a difference 
between education and its tests and licensing and its tests. One might applaud 
one as sensible and feasible yet not the other. When children are given sex 
education at school it is surely not to give them a license to have sex?


--- On Mon, 30/6/08, Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Conscious after the fact?
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, 30 June, 2008, 2:39 PM
> This is a legitimate question.  The test is not the issue,
> the questions are not the issue, and there would be no
> grade except to pass or fail.  The point is to teach
> people when to respond, how to respond, how to communicate,
> how to guide and correct without hitting or shaming
> (otherwise known as discipline) and on and on.  For
> example, to explain that the terrible 2's are a time
> when the child is beginning to explore his world and his
> sense of self while still connected to mom.  He's not
> just being a recalcitrant little monster.  And so on and
> so on.  Also to inculcate that if there isn't both a
> father and mother (and a huge percentage of the time there
> isn't) then don't even think about it.  Also to
> inculcate that children are needy creatures who CANNOT
> meet an adult's needs for friendship or whatever.  
> There are right now parenting classes that people can take
> and are often mandated to take by child protective
> agencies.  It might be of academic interest if someone on
> the list were to participate in such a class just to see
> how it's done.  The licensing process actually could
> start in high school, for both boys and girls.  In fact,
> if it did start in high school, people would begin to
> understand that having children is a serious endeavor, and
> teenage pregnancy would go down.  Right now there's a
> giggle giggle tee hee, stars in the eyes
> quality, whether glazed over or just unrealistic, to
> doing something as serious as creating a human being.   
> --- On Mon, 6/30/08, John Wager
> <john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: John Wager <john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Conscious after the fact?
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 3:28 AM
> Andy wrote: 
>   This is why I harp on parent training, indeed
> licensing.  
> I've been thinking about this today: What would a
> "license" exam look like for parenting?  
> Let's say you had to identify 2 questions that such a
> test MUST have: What would those two questions be? 
> (And, of course, what would the answers have to be?)
> -- 
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> "Never attribute to malice that which can be         
> explained by incompetence and ignorance."            
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> John Wager                    j.wager@xxxxxxxxxxx    
>                              Forest Park, IL, USA

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