Here is a database that lists all the civilian deaths "caused by coalition occupation." Blaming the US for the total is not justified in my view because included are insurgent-caused killings and breakdowns in civil order. However, there is enough info in the database to get a fairly good number of deaths actually caused by the coalition if one has a lot of time on his or her hands. Their grand total is between 28,293 & 31,900 as of 2006. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ I did finally find the Lancet site that lists higher numbers, but they seem to be unsupported guesses. Even though iraqbodycount.org is obviously opposed to the invasion and blames the coalition for all casualties, they seem to have taken a scientific approach toward the accumulating of data. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lawrence Helm Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:25 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muhammed and the Giant Peach The 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians was the original guess of someone who anticipated that number, someone whose name escapes me. It has been repeated over and over. It isn't true. And it causes me to wonder what you are reading. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ursula Stange Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:14 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muhammed and the Giant Peach In whose frame of reference is 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, 'going well'? Sheesh, Lawrence...Americans are not the only people who count... Ursula Lawrence Helm wrote: > Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks expected things to go well and they did. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html