[lit-ideas] Re: Bush taking apart SS
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:09:48 -0400
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian <cabrian@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 5/12/2005 10:29:45 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Bush taking apart SS
>
> Andy,
>
> Let's review:
>
> You said "Wow, do you have your facts screwed up. The ultra rich pay
> no taxes or next to no taxes at all, let alone 80%. The middle class
> shoulders the entire tax burden of this country. Kindly supply
> sources for your 20/80 figures."
>
> To which I replied with the Congressional Budget Office numbers
> showing exactly what I claimed. You responded that they were raw
> (but not inaccurate) and suggested I read a book. How that would
> refute the facts is still unclear. You can easily locate both
> effective tax rates and IRS income stats (http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/
> pub/irs-soi/01in01ts.xls) that make a mockery of your claims.
>
A.A. So basically you're saying that the ultra rich pay 80% of the taxes in
this country? You're also saying they're 20% of the population? It's
interesting that people who write books on the subject come to completely
different conclusions. Perhaps they've not studied the stats as carefully
as you have. Or they're engaging in partisan politics. How else do you
explain it?
> You then told me "your posts are based on guesswork. Your facts are
> nonexistent" even though I posted facts that you never refuted. You
> then put words in my mouth about SS being in "crisis" and suggested
> we "forget the logic." Pesky stuff that logic.
A.A. Okay, we'll do it your way. Let's figure things out logically instead
of factually.
>
> When I asked you about the charge that my posts are filled with
> misinformation you stated "That China is a slave labor economy.
> You're kidding, right?" I then pointed you to more facts concerning
> Chinese slave labor and you responded with a rambling post about
> China instead of an apology and some humility.
A.A. What does Chinese slave labor have to do with their position in the
world? What relevance is it to the U.S.?
>
> To say I haven't supplied facts is a willful lie so I'll now leave
> you to your delusional and angry worldview.
A.A. Whatever.
>
> If I thought your welcome was sincere I would thank you, but I don't,
> so I won't.
>
A.A. So there.
Andy Amago
> Sincerely,
> Brian
>
> On May 11, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Andy Amago wrote:
> >
> > A.A. Except that you supplied no facts. I'll just assume that your
> > MO is
> > to say something without backing it up. No problem, your opinions are
> > valuable. If they were supported with facts they would be more
> > interesting, but be that as it may. Welcome to the list.
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