>Do you really expect an authentic response to such an asinine comment? Or >are you just trolling? I am happy to answer for my beliefs but not if you >are being an ass. I'm not being an ass. I want to know, not so much _why_ people hold their beliefs, but why they act on them so truly that they actually let it influence every major/minor decision they make -- including getting a bank loan. I'm trying to resolve the following issue: It appears that [quite devout] Christian belief helped Mr. Bush win the election. It also appears that most people from the Middle East have [quite devout] Islamic beliefs which are very different in substance than are the Christian ones. Now, other than an accident in geography -- and thus, the resulting geographic inculcation -- there is no 'REASON' for one person to hold either of those very different beliefs, and even LESS reason to carry them out in such a way as to live their life according to that handed-down tradition. Have you ever seen the 'grapevine' seen in "Johnny Dangerously"? It's questionable what kind of perverted (in the non-pejorative sense) message you are getting at the end of the line. I was forced [key word] to go to Sunday School, but for some reason it just didn't stick. The reason it didn't is because I looked around every Sunday and thought to myself "whaaaaaaaaaaaat?" When I finally had a say, I stopped going. Up until then, I had been faking. I'm just wondering how many people aren't faking it. I understand the faking -- that's the typical herding mentality. I DON'T understand the actually "knowing" that "Jesus Loves me" ..." because the bible tells me so". I learned not to accept 'argument from authority' a long time ago. It has been my experience that there is no logical reason to believe in God, let alone a religion. I want someone to tell me why they do. I'm not "trolling" as you put it. This {people's devotion} is as troubling to me as bare breasts on tv are to some "religious folk." And I'm not coming at this as an ingorant ass either. I've read Descartes arguments for God in his "Meditations", other philosophical arguments for and against, and also the Koran, Bible, Gita, Lao Tse etc. It's all very interesting, but swallowing any of it all whole seems a bit imprudent. Other than those who have actually had personal divine revelation (I think that number to be quite low even in this group), what actual reason would you have (other than going along with Pascal's Wager) for living your life according to a book or set of books that recount parables. My straw man is the one who miraculously survives to adulthood without ever hearing of a particular religion. Would that person freely choose any of Campbell's "myths to live by"? waiting for a knockout punch, Paul ########## Paul Stone pas@xxxxxxxx Kingsville, ON, Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html