I would like to start this thread on the film by J. Wright, based on the novel by McEwan, scripted by Hampton, starring Keira Knightley. Superb. Where would I start? The film got the best Golden Globe (i.e. for best film), and I hope it makes for the Oscar. Keira is superb and having just finished my first reading of the novel, I was nicely surprised as to how greatly she portrays the character -- at all levels, including the Libertys (the costume). AOL is offering a live interview where she expresses how she got into the character. The other characters are also beautifully portrayed. The whole photography is magnificent, but then the best tradition of British films will have that. McEwan's novel is full of erudite (well, er...) references to things such as "G & S", "V & A", Piazza Barberini vs. Piazza Navona (Barberini Triton), French porcelain, Battle of Dunkirk, etc. The film actually improves on the erudite references. For example, if I were to select a second-best scene, it would be the soldiers (actually Bede School Choir) singing -- to some odd but beautiful transposed harmonization -- what the BBC survey recently had as England's most beloved hymn, "Dear Lord and father of mankind" -- which was written in Massachussets -- and for Massachussets! The novel was published in 2001, although it is meant as a saga of the 20th century, with the epilogue being signed, "London, 1999". This is incidentally, the best scene in the film with a magisterial Vanessa Redgrave being interviewed by Minghella! The blurbs describe the novel as featuring a most 'erotic' scene. I thought it would mean the meeting (indeed sex act) in the library -- where orgasm is reached on both parts -- but on second thoughts I would think the author meant the 'two figures by the fountain' scene. This is not explicitly sexual, but possibly one of the most beautiful scenes in the whole reels of English (and I say English and not British) film history EVER. ---- The dialogue is very good, and am looking forward to Feb. 4 where the script by Mauritius Islander C. Hampton will become available. McEwan flourishes his crisp dialogue with explanations of Gricean implicatures, which are nice, but possibly _too_ nice, and I would think memorising the Hampton lines would be a better exercise. The novel is bound to become a best-seller, but if not, who cares, and is available for $8 in the Anchor edition. So I encourage readers and listers to this list to buy it, read it (it will take an hour, or less), and share comments with this forum. Ah, and don't forget to see the film, which is still showing and who knows when it will be available on DVD. The soundtrack is apparently available already, but I still must check how locally and whether the Dear Lord and father setting _is_ included. As I hope it will. I would compare the novel to two Argentine authors: ??? a. J. L. Borges ??? b. J. Cortazar Of Cortazar, the novel reminded me of Blow-up, and in general, the idea of the untrustworthy witness of a pluri-hermeneutic episode. In the Two Figures by the Fountain sequence, it's all about what what you _see_ can be rendered into terms of -emic or -etic interest. This becomes a serious crime thrilling side to the film, with prosecutors included and all. McEwan is obsessed (and rightly so) with the factivity of 'see' and its connection with 'know'. The questionnaire to which Brionny Tallis is subjected (herself the protagonist of the thing) reminded me of "When did you last see...?", the famous painting, that also trades on the ambiguity (if such it is) of 'see', and Grice/Warnock's "visa". Of Borges, the connection with be with the meta- and auto-phoric reference of the works of imagination. Brionny is an imaginist ("a hysteric fantasist", in the description of her older sister, Cee) but the only occasion in her life where she was _required_ to speak the truth, she does not. The boundary between artifices of verosimilitude and truth are common Borgesian concerns, and this is also stressed by the circularity of it all that would also remind readers of "The House of Spirits" of "Hundred Years of Solitude", with their acknowledged consideration to Borges. The film or thing is not just about love, but mainly love. And I was amused by the Anchor edition mentioning the different categories under which the work was catalogued when first issued in 2001. As I recall it went into: ????? 1. Battle of Dunkirk -- Fiction on. ????? 2. Ex-Convicts -- Fiction on. ????? 3. Guilt -- Fiction on. Atonement is possibly the key word and relates to the idea of the writer (Borgesian one) as God -- and how can God need an atonement? Indeed she does not! The film has been translated into Spanish as 'redemption' (redencion) which is just as well. There is some vast (well, er...) biblio on this which you can read on McEwan's personal page, including what look like some boring high-school guides (including the York notes) for the thing, by which one can tell that it is already making history as far as the boring Eng.Lit courses go! Swimming pools feature large in the film. Notably at the Tallis/Cartwright stately home, and where pool is meant literally as a natural (or semi-natural thing) to dive, or plunge into. Not the typical Roman balnearium thing. Cheers, J. L. Speranza ??? The Swimming Pool Library ????? Villa Speranza, Bordighera, ???????????? and Buenos Aires, Argentina ????????????????????????? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com