[lit-ideas] Re: At the window, through the glass

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  • Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:21:05 -0400

In a message dated 9/14/2015 5:32:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx provides an illuminating exegesis of the
implicatures
(shall we say? I like the neologism) by Nick Cave in a song from an album
whose lyrics, if we recall Wikipedia "are less obscure than usual",
implicature: they are STILL obscure, but not obscurum per obscurius.

Geary's paraphrasis of what he originally called "Musical philosophy" runs:

"Existence IS, and it's all related, and it's doing its thing by its own
laws. Don't touch, please. Just go along to get along."

i.e. she is an existentialist. Perhaps her name was Simone (as in Simone de
Beauvoir -- but Cave doesn't say. Wiki does: "Though Simone de Beauvoir
did not consider herself a philosopher, she had a significant influence on
existentialism."

What about he?

Geary's paraphrasis:

"Yes, existence is, yes, but it's nasty, brutish and short. Where is that
which will make it meaningful?"

Perhaps his name was Jean-Paul, but Cave wouldn't say (But Wikipedia does:
"Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre (pronounced [saʁtʁ] rolling your rs alla
Piaf) was an existentialist philosopher. He is especially noted for his
very open relationship with the Simone de Beauvoir."

What does SHE reply:

Geary's paraphrasis:

"Look at you -- still trying to make sense of existence. There is no
sense to it. There's no good, there's no bad, there's only existence. It is
as it is and your judgments are meaningless, get over yourself. Yes, you
want it to make sense, you want it to validate your own self. Ha! Existence
doesn't care enough about your and your sorrows and sufferings to even
have scorn for you. Stop trying to make sense of it. Just get on with it."

Geary concludes:

"Now that's PHILOSOPHY, folks."

And musical -- it is interesting the way Nick Cave* (male) summarises both
the ♂ and the ♀ perspectives, implicating (and entailing) that gender is
philosophically irrelevant. But perhaps Geary would disagree there and Nick
is making in point in having HER refuting HIM?

Cheers,

Speranza

*Cave is the son of Colin Frank Cave and the father of Jethro Cave, Luke
Cave, Earl Cave, and Arthur Cave. The Caves are either Anglo-Saxon (from
Cave, in the East Riding of Yorkshire, a location named after a river -- 'caf'
which is Anglo-Saxon for 'swift') or else Anglo-Norman (from 'chaff', Old
French 'chauf' for 'bald').









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