[lit-ideas] Re: At War with Ourselves
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:29:28 -0800
Lesson in Logic for you: You could quote me, i.e., "you wrote X." You
could then site the Newsweek article, and write "the Newsweek article says
Y." X and Y can't both be true; therefore you must be wrong. Your very
vague references to the Newsweek great beyond are incomprehensible. I don't
subscribe to Newsweek. I have no idea what you are referring to. Your
little insults coupled with vague illogical references to truth out there
some place are irritating, and if you can't learn to be clearer I'm going to
quit replying to your notes.
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:10 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: At War with Ourselves
Rather than have me waste my time telling you my point so you can turn
around and say your authority doesn't agree with me, why don't you just read
Newsweek for yourself? Maybe you're afraid of an opinion that contradicts
yours? Proof positive that you're entrenched in some -ist position is that
you won't bring yourself down to earth to indulge in reading what the rest
of the world reads about why there might have been riots. That's all I have
to say to you. It's not like there's any reasoning with you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 3/2/2006 5:57:22 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: At War with Ourselves
I know there are riots. What is your point? Try and intersperse a few
thoughts between your insults. Say something that is in the form of an
argument. Two premises and a conclusion if you please. What you have
written is nonsense. I use that word advisedly. It doesnt communicate
anything meaningful.
I think the reports on the riots reflect exactly what I say.
Multiculturalism isnt working. The common people dont accept it. The
Islamists cant help being Islamists.
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:31 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: At War with Ourselves
Lawrence, check out Newsweek for information about the French riots. You
might be surprised; it's nothing like what you say, unless you say Newsweek
is wrong. It makes one wonder why you care about clashes of civilization
if you write stuff that is downright uncivilized, not to mention uninformed
and ultimately counterproductive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 3/2/2006 5:01:25 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: At War with Ourselves
Judy,
France at the leadership level believes in multiculturalism. The bulk of
the sabots on the ground think otherwise; hence one of the reasons for the
unassimilabiltiy of Muslims into French society. Furthermore, much of
France has fancied that they have a special relationship with Arabs given
their long term love for their former colony, Algeria. They mourn for it as
Arabs mourn for Andalusia. The French opposed the U.S. on Iraq partly
because they loved Arabs and partly because some of them had an intimate
relationship with their buddy Saddam Hussein.
Hanson is a scholar and not likely to rely solely upon Newspapers for his
information on France, but my impression is that what has appeared in them
on France over the months has been a stolid adherence to failed policies.
Multiculturalism hasnt worked, appeasement hasnt worked, and proffering
friendship hasnt worked. France has been the European champion of the
Arabs and that hasnt worked.
But I too (along with Hanson) have noticed a slow change in European
attitudes toward the Islamist problems. Had the Islamists attacked only the
U.S. and left the Europeans alone, the Leftists around the world would more
and more vocally blame the U.S. for the Islamists attacks against it. But
the Islamists arent that smart or well organized. Like one of the animals
in an Aesop Fable they must kill because that is who they are. If they
cant kill Americans then the French will do just as well. An infidel is
after all an infidel.
Thanks for posting the Hanson article
http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson021806.html . Hanson is one of the
clearest thinking historians writing today. He hasnt given up on the
Europeans because of his long ranged belief in the West. Various parts of
the West may do stupid things from time to time, but in terms of fighting
ability, no civilization can stand against it (see Hansons The Western Way
of War). We (the West) could make short work of the Islamists if we were to
agree (as the West) to do that.
Lawrence
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