Lawrence, check out Newsweek for information about the French riots. You might be surprised; it's nothing like what you say, unless you say Newsweek is wrong. It makes one wonder why you care about clashes of civilization if you write stuff that is downright uncivilized, not to mention uninformed and ultimately counterproductive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 3/2/2006 5:01:25 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: At War with Ourselves Judy, France at the leadership level believes in multiculturalism. The bulk of the sabots on the ground think otherwise; hence one of the reasons for the unassimilabiltiy of Muslims into French society. Furthermore, much of France has fancied that they have a special relationship with Arabs given their long term love for their former colony, Algeria. They mourn for it as Arabs mourn for Andalusia. The French opposed the U.S. on Iraq partly because they loved Arabs and partly because some of them had an intimate relationship with their buddy Saddam Hussein. Hanson is a scholar and not likely to rely solely upon Newspapers for his information on France, but my impression is that what has appeared in them on France over the months has been a stolid adherence to failed policies. Multiculturalism hasn?t worked, appeasement hasn?t worked, and proffering friendship hasn?t worked. France has been the European champion of the Arabs and that hasn?t worked. But I too (along with Hanson) have noticed a slow change in European attitudes toward the Islamist problems. Had the Islamists attacked only the U.S. and left the Europeans alone, the Leftists around the world would more and more vocally blame the U.S. for the Islamists attacks against it. But the Islamists aren?t that smart or well organized. Like one of the animals in an Aesop Fable they must kill because that is who they are. If they can?t kill Americans then the French will do just as well. An infidel is after all an infidel. Thanks for posting the Hanson article http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson021806.html . Hanson is one of the clearest thinking historians writing today. He hasn?t given up on the Europeans because of his long ranged belief in the West. Various parts of the West may do stupid things from time to time, but in terms of fighting ability, no civilization can stand against it (see Hanson?s The Western Way of War). We (the West) could make short work of the Islamists if we were to agree (as the West) to do that. Lawrence