The Spartan-led coalition had the greatest land force and the Athenian-led coalition had the greatest sea force; so when the Spartans were ravaging the farms outside Athens, the Athenian navy was raiding the coastal towns of the Peloponnese. The sort of raiding that went on escalated in terms of its barbarity as the war wore on. The Spartan hoplite forces had no opponents to engage their phalanxes, and the Athenian Navy had no Spartan ships to confront them; so they engaged in what we technically call "asymmetric warfare," but what Victor Davis Hanson in A War Like No other (p 89 ff) terms "terror." Both sides engaged in it, causing me to consider the possibility that the barbarous asymmetric warfare engaged in by the Islamists might someday inspire us to engage in a similar type of warfare. I concluded that it probably couldn't because there is no area were the Islamists possess military superiority. We have no need to seek out temporary areas of military superiority. There are no areas where we are not militarily superior. p. 99: ". . . The archconservative Plato hated such unconventional war in his own time (429-347). He seems to have blamed its fourth-century ubiquity on its odious birth during the Peloponnesian War. Then in his teens and twenties, he had seen imperial Athens lose the war, his aristocratic friends fail in their efforts at oligarchic overthrow, and his mentor, Socrates, executed by radical democrats shortly thereafter. Apparently connecting the dots, he offered a strange rant about the pernicious use of 'naval infantrymen,' Plato deplore battle in which there were no clear-cut combatants to settle the issue through discipline and courage. "Instead, rabble 'jump ashore on frequent stops and then run back as quick as they can to their ships. They think there is no shame at all in not dying courageously in their places.' Apparently so disgusted was he at the practice of employing ships to tarnish the reputation of war and the heroic code of good hoplite infantry that he scoffed that in mythical times it would have been better for the Athenians to have given old King Minos all the hostages he wanted rather than to have resisted him by sea, and thus have initiated the successful maritime example that led to the present shame." How do you hold your own citizen's to a consistently high standard when your opponents are slaughtering women and children? Look what they did: They slaughtered innocent women and children. Let us go do the same to them. That is what happened throughout the Peloponnesian war. And that fall from a higher-level of warfare, affected the entire society, and Plato deplored it. Because of this vicious cycle, honour and courage were frequently no longer considered expedient. Hanson gives several examples of excesses on both sides but the following may be the most egregious and it isn't about what the Spartans did to the Athenians but something the Spartans did to their own slaves - something that wouldn't have occurred in an earlier era, that is in an era when barbarous warfare was not considered the norm: p. 102: "The Spartans were often worse - as a horrendous case of mass murder of 2,000 helots [Spartan slaves] attests. Terrified by the Athenian base at Pylos (425), which raised the specter of a wide-scale helot revolt, the Spartans passed a proclamation offering freedom to any of their Messenian serfs whose prior military record on behalf of the state might serve as proof of courage and their past benefaction. Once 2,000 came forward, the Spartans crowned them and paraded them as heroes around temples. Then in secret they executed all of them on the logical fear that such resolute men might someday pose a threat to the Spartan state. How so many serfs were slain in secret - Thucydides says 'no one knew how any of them died' - we are not told. The murder of the helots was never acknowledge by the Spartans. It is one of the tragic quirks of history, or perhaps a reflection of the biases of ancient historians themselves that more is known about how 120 Athenians died in Aetolia than 2,000 murdered serfs in the Peloponnese." I almost lopped off his last sentence in that it wasn't necessary to the subject, but more than that I didn't think it was accurate. But I've included it now because I don't think it is accurate. Violent activities happening between two antagonists are always more visible than what goes on internally within a given country. We know a lot about German suppression of opposition leading up to and during the Second World War, and Stalinism has become a synonym for such suppression, but the Armenians have needed to campaign to get anyone to notice that the Turks engaged in their brutal slaughter. That is no quirk of history. Like the Spartans, the Turks never admitted it, and you only had the testimony of a rag-tag bunch of Armenian survivors to pit against the Turks. How do you side with individual survivors? Often it isn't politically expedient. It wouldn't fit the dictates of Realpolitik to do so. Your opinion of the Turks is probably already low but taking up the cause of the Armenians wouldn't help your relations with the Turks; so you don't do it - or there is an impetus not to do anything even if you think you should, besides, for don't you want to get them into the Common Market? Besides, what could you do? . . . and other rationalizations. Lawrence Helm San Jacinto