[lit-ideas] Re: Arrivederci, Mr. Bush...

From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:01:03 -0500
It's why I was so depressed when Bush was voted in.  A war mongering
president whose guide and mentor is Jesus Christ ...



> [Original Message]
> From: <JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 3/17/2005 12:23:19 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Arrivederci, Mr. Bush...
>
> What's the last time the Evangelical Fundamentalists had such political  
> power in the country?  I dare you to name such a time.
>  
> Julie Krueger
> ========Original  Message========     Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Arrivederci,
Mr. 
> Bush...  Date: 3/16/05 9:45:25 P.M. Central Standard Time  From: 
> _aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)   To:
_lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) , _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)   Sent on:    
> What happened to the United States I grew up  in?  I don't recognize this
> country anymore.  Has it always been  this way and I just never noticed? 
> Like Enron, the collapse didn't happen  overnight.  The seeds were sown
much
> earlier, but  when?
>
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From:  <JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx>
> > To:  <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 3/16/2005 10:16:39 PM
> >  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Arrivederci, Mr. Bush...
> >
> > Not only that,  but in Evangelical interpretation of the book of 
> Revelations, 
> > a war  in the Middle East is absolutely necessary for the Second  Coming
> of  
> > the Messiah which is precluded or accompanies (I forget) the  
reclaiming
> of the 
> > Promised land (Israel) by the Israelites.  A  massive war  in the ME
MUST 
> > happen for the Second Coming to  happen.  They are seeing  signs of
> prophecies being 
> >  fulfilled everywhere.  If you do a search in the  text of Revelations 
and 
> > look for the word "bear" and know that during the fall  of the  Soviet
> Bloc, 
> > Russia was determined by the Evangelicals to be that  which  Revelations
> refers to 
> > as "the bear" (yes, I'm serious),  you get a sense of what  I'm talking
> about... 
> >  very, very  scary.  Everyone has a right to their  beliefs, sure.  And
I
> have 
> > no less respect for their integrity in their  belief  life than anyone
> else's. 
> >  But it does say something about why  the  separation of Church and
State
> is 
> > so crucial.  And  that separation has been  seriously eroded.
> >  
> > Julie  Krueger
> >  
> > ========Original  Message========   Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Arrivederci,
> Mr. 
> > Bush...   Date: 3/16/05 8:12:54 P.M. Central Standard Time  From: 
> >  _aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)    To:
> _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) ,  _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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> > I got around to reading Bill Moyers' article  in  the NYRB and it leads
me
> to
> > think that literally half the  people in this  country (the
evangelicals)
> > wouldn't care if there  was a nuclear attack.   They would think the
> > long-awaited  Apocalypse is here and they will finally be  raptured,
> sitting
> >  at the right hand of God.  It's why the environmental  regulations  are
> > loosening up, for a last fling before the end, predicted to   happen in
the
> > next 40 years.  In fact, the war in Iraq is in the  natural  order of
> things
> > in preparation for the end of the  world.  They are  absolutely, deadly
> > serious.
> >
> >  Andy Amago
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original  Message]
> >  > From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To:   <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: 3/16/2005 2:54:56 PM
> >  >  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Arrivederci, Mr. Bush...
> >  >
> > > Paul  wrote:
> > >
> > > >One of the  things that make it SOOO important to keep  nukes out of
> these 
> >  > >maniac's hands is that, as we have seen in the  past 3 1/2 years 
since
> > 9/11, 
> > > >there's NO one THING to strike back   at. So... if AQ somehow
managed to
> > nuke 
> > > >a city in the  US, what  would they do? I mean what would they REALLY
> do? 
> > >  >Short of nuking  the ENTIRE Middle East and large parts of many
other  
> > > >countries [you  know, to make sure they get ALL OF THEM],  what is
> their 
> > > >plan? Do  they have one? What IS the  strategic position taken in
that 
> > >  >particular scenario.  [my attempt at the political parlance].
> > >  >  
> >  > >
> > >
> > > I suspect that's part of the reason   behind the idea of making
nations 
> > > responsible for the terorist  groups  that operate with impunity
inside 
> > > their borders. But  I can't see it as  being very effective either.
> > >
> > >  First, if it were a coordinated  nuclear attack and several US
targets  
> > > were struck, there woudl be  horror and chaos as lack of  information.
> Who 
> > > was behind the attack? It  could take  weeks to determine or maybe
never 
> > > be known.  If   Washington DC were hit, some relatively low-level 
> > > functionary  could be  left in charge of our retaliation.
> > >
> > > Plus  we might suspect that a  nation DID strike us, using the terror 
> >  > group as a cover. So we nuke  North  Korea, Saudi Arabia,  Iran. 
Then 
> > > what wouudl China do?  What would Russia  do?
> > >
> > > This could spiral into a general nuclear   conflagration so easily.
As 
> > > soon as we were hit, other countries  might  decide this was their
last 
> > > chance to strike us before  we retaliated  against them, whether or
not 
> > > they were  responsible. Then when it was  over, our nuclear
submarines 
> > >  woudl surface, notice the backhground  radiation, and deliver  the
> nuclear 
> > > knockout to everyone who was  left.
> >  >
> > > It rockets the imagination to think how one terror  attack  could
> snowball 
> > > into planet-busting. Precisely why  nations with nukes  should
decrease, 
> > > not increase. Five  monkeys with nukes are bad enough,  let alone
fifty.
> > >
> >  > Eric
> > >
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