If not Togo, then Pogo. We've met the enemy, Lawrence, and he's us. Our massive debt, our evaporating middle class, and so on. We're merging with Mexico and it's going absolutely unnoticed. We're going to be eliminating regulatory organizations as redundant, going to be allowing Mexico to oversee a lot of health and safety and environment and so on. The unions are a thing of the past basically. What do you think of that Lawrence? Probably nothing, you either don't know it's happening, since you're too busy fixated somewhere else, or you think fundamental changes such as these aren't important. It's like they're doing a "Look over there!" and you are. It doesn't matter. There's not a thing either you or I can do about it anyway. I feel like the U.S. I grew up in is no more. I'm even thinking of not voting anymore. Fight back, Lawrence, even if you have no idea how to do that or even against whom. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 6/25/2006 5:38:00 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? Having had two wives and three daughters I am of course capable of being brow-beaten into doing things I don?t want to do, but my left arm is sore today so I am being firm ? sort of. I described a mishap with my dogs on June 4th. My arm has been slowly improving. Yesterday I decided to exercise with moderate weights and am paying for it today; so I am restricting myself to short and infrequent notes. But I really have explained that we are at war and need to fight back. War was declared against us by various leaders of the Islamist viewpoint. We have been attacked a number of times and during the first Bush administration and Clinton administration didn?t respond with enough force to cause Islamists to think we were any more than a paper tiger. We are doing much better during this administration, and while the Islamists can no longer question our fighting ability, they question our fortitude. And that?s a good question. A lot of our cards are too close to the administration?s chest to make good press, but there may be good reason for that. The main thing is that we have prevented further attacks of the 9/11 sort and that we are wearing down Al Queda and other militants. If we have the fortitude we can probably defeat them, but I doubt that we do. Too many with Alzheimer?s or ADD have forgotten what it is like to fight a war. They think it is okay to root for the enemy. You do remember what the word ?enemy? means don?t you Irene? Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:03 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? Nope, this is your way of saying that you can't defend your statement or even say why you capitalized the words for emphasis. I accept that. And certainly such emotionalism is not unique in the world to you. It is, in fact, the norm, and I bet you feel you have morality on your side to boot. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 6/25/2006 4:51:07 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? I suspect old people who cant remember what I say of Alzheimers. I suspect younger people of ADD. In either case I have a principle of repeating myself seven times and no more. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:45 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? Sorry, Lawrence, if you can't take the time to repeat or summarize what we need to do after advocating FIGHTING BACK (your emphasis), then your position is just empty emotionalism, a vague generalized fear, an obsession, which you cannot support with specifics. And what do the capital letters mean? Are you referring to a title of a book? If so, what does its author advocate?