Yes, yes, bona fide and not bone fide. Mea culpa, mea culpa, but I've hardly been unrelenting. I have been quietly reading Taylor's Sources of the Self and was up to page 321, relenting during the entire process until my attention flagged and I turned to Kershaw's Hitler, 1936-1945: Nemesis, and had a sort of out-of-body experience in which I saw hoards of lit-ideas Leftists wafted back to America of the 30s and heard them adamantly oppose going to war with Germany. They were quite as hard on Roosevelt as they have been in modern times against Bush. And then I reflected upon the significance of opposing going to war with Hitler and other folk like Saddam Hussein who need urgently to be opposed by someone. When I reflected, probably still out of body, upon what it was that they did oppose, I found it to be the dear old U. S. of A. Oh yes, I heard the protest that they were opposing Bush and not . . . well they didn't precisely say what they were not . . . , but they took up various of the current anti-American themes made popular in speeches of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Ward Churchill and Mike Geary. Here, listen to Mike and see if there are any dictators or broad Islamist movements that need to be opposed. Heck, there's no war at all according to him. He just wants to arrest a few people, a gang or two - maybe give them some tickets - or warnings. Notice that he mentions Iraq as "innocent" - only innocents in Iraq - probably a veritable Garden of Eden - and we went and destroyed it - all in the name of cheap oil and there we really screwed up because if we'd left Saddam alone we could have gotten really cheap oil but we had to go messing with him and now the price has gone up: Lawrence MG> Yes, the Democrats can tell the American people that the "War of Terrorism" is an necessary police action against Al Qaeda, an organization that brought death and injure upon us and from all apparent evidence intends to visit more of the same. They can tell the American people how the Republicans, in their ideological zeal to establish hegemonic colonies in the Middle East, fucked up the "war" against Al Qaeda so royally that they have in fact vastly increased their number and support for their goals, that the Republicans have turned America into a reviled country across the world by our Guantanamo gulag, by our embracing of torture and the disappearing of people into secret prisons around the world. They can tell the American voters how many tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed in our attempt to establish Iraq as our home base in the Middle East. They can tell them about the crime this country has committed by destroying that society, that culture, that country all in name of cheap oil. They can tell the American voters that the Bush Administration abandoned the war on terror in March 2003 when it invaded Iraq to establish it as our colony only to spur North Korea and Iran into nuclear ambitions. They can remind the American voters that all this was done through lies, lies, lies told to them by the top leadership of the Bush Administration. They can tell the American people that they (the Democrats) who voted to authorize Bush to use military force deserve one last chance to make right their terrible wrong. They can beg forgiveness of the voters for their political and moral cowardice and plead for this one last chance to make it right, agreeing that if they don't make it right, they should all be shipped to the Hague and hung for crimes against humanity. They can tell the American voter that this is not a war against Islamism. It's a police action against terrorist gangs. They can tell the American voters that this country's ever increasing descent into theocratic fascism and totalitarianism and secret police statism will be stopped dead in its tracks. They can tell the American voters that if they want to be safe, they'll have to pay the cost -- not of war, but of justice. We must begin withdrawing our troops and set in place a Marshall Plan to rebuild that country -- the cradle of civilization, the HOME of us all, the home we destroyed in the name of cheap oil. Globalism must cut both ways, it must make everyone's life richer, not just ours. The Democrats must tell the American voters that we have no lock on the truth, that in fact we're a spiritually deprived culture, that we have as much to learn spiritually from Islam as they have materially from us. Honesty -- wow! Wouldn't that be a novel approach to politics. -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Paul Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:53 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? Lawrence Helm wrote: > Very good Omar. I wondered what you would do to turn the tables. > Because Eric and I recognize the Islamist threat and oppose it, this > grants us no bone fides when transported back to the 1930s. What is a bone fide? Robert Paul tired of this unrelenting we're right-you're-wrong-you-Marxist-Liberal-dupes theme