[lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem?

  • From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:21:59 -0700

Yes, yes, bona fide and not bone fide.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, but I've
hardly been unrelenting.  I have been quietly reading Taylor's Sources of
the Self and was up to page 321, relenting during the entire process until
my attention flagged and I turned to Kershaw's Hitler, 1936-1945: Nemesis,
and had a sort of out-of-body experience in which I saw hoards of lit-ideas
Leftists wafted back to America of the 30s and heard them adamantly oppose
going to war with Germany.  They were quite as hard on Roosevelt as they
have been in modern times against Bush.


And then I reflected upon the significance of opposing going to war with
Hitler and other folk like Saddam Hussein who need urgently to be opposed by
someone.  When I reflected, probably still out of body, upon what it was
that they did oppose, I found it to be the dear old U. S. of A.  Oh yes, I
heard the protest that they were opposing Bush and not . . . well they
didn't precisely say what they were not . . . , but they took up various of
the current anti-American themes made popular in speeches of Saddam Hussein,
Osama bin Laden, Ward Churchill and Mike Geary.  Here, listen to Mike and
see if there are any dictators or broad Islamist movements that need to be
opposed.  Heck, there's no war at all according to him.  He just wants to
arrest a few people, a gang or two - maybe give them some tickets - or
warnings.  Notice that he mentions Iraq as "innocent" - only innocents in
Iraq - probably a veritable Garden of Eden - and we went and destroyed it -
all in the name of cheap oil and there we really screwed up because if we'd
left Saddam alone we could have gotten really cheap oil but we had to go
messing with him and now the price has gone up:




MG> Yes, the Democrats can tell the American people that the "War of

is an necessary police action against Al Qaeda, an organization that brought

death and injure upon us and from all apparent evidence intends to visit 

more of the same.  They can tell the American people how the Republicans, in

their ideological zeal to establish hegemonic colonies in the Middle East, 

fucked up the "war" against Al Qaeda so royally that they have in fact 

vastly increased their number and support for their goals, that the 

Republicans have turned America into a reviled country across the world by 

our Guantanamo gulag, by our embracing of torture and the disappearing of 

people into secret prisons around the world.  They can tell the American 

voters how many tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed in our

attempt to establish Iraq as our home base in the Middle East.  They can 

tell them about the crime this country has committed by destroying that 

society, that culture, that country all in name of cheap oil.  They can tell

the American voters that the Bush Administration abandoned the war on terror

in March 2003 when it invaded Iraq to establish it as our colony only to 

spur North Korea and Iran into nuclear ambitions.  They can remind the 

American voters that all this was done through lies, lies, lies told to them

by the top leadership of the Bush Administration.   They can tell the 

American people that they (the Democrats) who voted to authorize Bush to use

military force deserve one last chance to make right their terrible wrong. 

They can beg forgiveness of the voters for their political and moral 

cowardice and plead for this one last chance to make it right, agreeing that

if they don't make it right, they should all be shipped to the Hague and 

hung for crimes against humanity.   They can tell the American voter that 

this is not a war against Islamism.  It's a police action against terrorist 

gangs.  They can tell the American voters that this country's ever 

increasing descent into theocratic fascism and totalitarianism and secret 

police statism will be stopped dead in its tracks.  They can tell the 

American voters that if they want to be safe, they'll have to pay the 

cost -- not of war, but of justice.  We must begin withdrawing our troops 

and set in place a Marshall Plan to rebuild that country -- the cradle of 

civilization, the HOME of us all,  the home we destroyed in the name of 

cheap oil.  Globalism must cut both ways, it must make everyone's life 

richer, not just ours.  The Democrats must tell the American voters that we 

have no lock on the truth, that in fact we're a spiritually deprived 

culture, that we have as much to learn spiritually from Islam as they have 

materially from us.  Honesty -- wow!  Wouldn't that be a novel approach to 







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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler


Lawrence Helm wrote:


> Very good Omar.  I wondered what you would do to turn the tables.  

> Because Eric and I recognize the Islamist threat and oppose it, this 

> grants us no bone fides when transported back to the 1930s. 


What is a bone fide?


Robert Paul

tired of this unrelenting we're 

right-you're-wrong-you-Marxist-Liberal-dupes theme




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