I remember 23. And we actually owned a Studebaker. Red and black with a nosecone. I was seven or eight. Like the one on the left here... http://www.studebakermuseum.org/ One I don't remember, (and I shudder to ask): What is Butch wax? Ursula, back in her Chicago childhood ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html