[lit-ideas] Re: Another perspective on VP selections -
- From: "Julie Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:40:24 -0500
W/out hearing the text of the sermon which changed O's life, I, at any rate,
would find it impossible to have an opinion. Just because a sermon came out
of someone's mouth does not in and of itself either validate or invalidate
it.
I'm thinking that if you have actually read & listened to Jeremiah Wright's
"god damn America" (where the context was actually ...."IF
........then.......god damn America"), and have actually read and listened
to pieces on the theology which Sarah Palin herself embraces, you would not
pit Palin's notions about foreign policy and geopolitical poles anything
close to wright's nuttiness. Look up Dominionist, Joel's Army, or google
Palin Jews, or Palin endtimes. And of course that doesn't begin to hit on
urgent issues such as energy, employment, economy, etc. But hey -- she can
see Russia from her house.
Julie Krueger
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Lawrence Helm
<lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> You want to criticize Palin's religion? Did you know that in his first
> memoir, the one he wrote before deciding to run for President, Obama said
> one sermon he listened to changed his life. Guess who preached that
> sermon?
> Right, the reverend Jeremiah Wright. I don't listen to the guys you
> mention, but I'd pit them sight unseen against the wacko who changed
> Obama's
> life.
>
> Can you see yet why the Obama campaign quit picking on Palin?
>
> Lawrence
>
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> From Lawrence:
> You think McCain picked Palin to satisfy part of the party. I don't
> know
> where you got that . . . Oh yes, the Obama campaign before they found
> out
> that wasn't true.
>
> Hi, Lawrence,
> No. I got it from Richard Land. Early August. But, even before then,
> James Dobson had been stating on his radio show that he was thinking of
> telling "his" listeners, the fundamentalists Christian pro-life crowd,
> to stay home because of McCain's nomination--and the subsequently, if
> he didn't select a very pro-life VP.
>
> I think you need to spend some time immersed in his radio show...read
> about Gary Bauer, etc.
>
> Did you even go read about them? Did you read the article which
> Richard Land mentioned Sarah Palin early on?
>
> The group of the Republicans who could care less about the social
> issues (they are, I think, above the law anyway) is using her.
>
>
> I think you are ignoring that side of the Republican Party. (As
> Christine Todd Whitman wrote--it's my party, too! Except that it
> isn't--it is no longer about less government, fiscal conservativism.
> It's more govenrment in our lives--more privatisation though not less
> money to run the things to be run--just a redistribution of which
> 'workers' get the money--and the cavalier disrespect towards so much
> that the Republicans once stood for [at least in my world, where I grew
> up] is tough. McCain was once one of the most moderate--and I could
> have voted for him. I'm not the only registered Republican having too
> difficult of a time with this--and there are many many Republican women
> in my situation.) To say that the VP doesn't do anything, thus it does
> not matter that she is inexperience [Obama does have quite a wide
> breadth of understanding of the world, at least--see his mother's work
> in Hawaii:
>
> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Sep/12/ln/hawaii809120379.htm
> l
> The concept of microloans at that time period, for example, is pretty
> interesting.
>
> Both McCain and Obama have enough grasp of how things work in the
> Senate to work 'with' or towards consensus--and that is, to me, very
> important. As you state, they will each have a cabinet to assist them.
> However, given the selections of choice for the VPs, I now suspect
> there will be other concessions made for McCain's cabinet that he might
> not have selected if he was not willing to compromise far far too much
> on his own integrity in order to win. I do not trust him.
>
> You may be falling out your chair--but the disrespect towards me, a
> registered Republican [so, there-I'm out <g> though in Missouri, we
> typically vote for the candidate not the party anyway--and I like to
> really look long-term at what will happen at the various possible
> scenarios--] that I would vote for a woman just because she is a
> female--was enough to make ME fall out of my chair.
>
>
> MY issues are not the pro-life ones, though at least I apparently pay
> more attention to all the various players in the Republican party--and
> DO listen to Dobson periodically [and have lots of friends in 'that
> world' so keep up to date on the viewpoints being pushed) My issues
> are concern about foreign policy -- not just the war aspects, but
> things like human trafficking [which is huge--and many American
> companies are in that world and that is appalling. My issues include
> things like the fact that the incredible decrease in Asian students to
> the US university/college world is because the US has stopped,
> particuarly in the last seven years, investing in
> math/science/research. They get more access in their own universities
> now. Mexico graduated more engineers than the US did last year. The
> billion dollar testing industry in the US has harmed education,
> incredibly much. Those are not things that concern me, alot. The
> National Science Foundation has said they would take a lead on
> this--and their budget was cut. I want to see the inspectors for the
> FDA increased, not decreased. I want my government to protect me from
> the corporate greed that is not just in the US, but in China--so that
> tainted paint does not reach here [and how thankful that we still have
> a dairy industry--can you imagine being a a parent in China with the
> tainted milk powder--but it could be us with a different product--the
> caretaking aspects of government ought to be on the broader picture of
> abortion and providing gov't money [which would then actually allow for
> government oversight--of stem cell research]
>
> The disrespect is simply incredible. The short-sightedness and
> single-issue push from the Far Right in the Republican party who have
> traditionally not been able to stand John McCain--an area which you
> really need to research. Start with Richard Land. Gary Bauer. James
> Dobson.
>
> It's not really slanted, Lawrence. It's just looking at the situation
> without the emotion that you are bringing to this. It's about looking,
> clearly and objectively, at all the players and seeing what they are
> doing.
>
> If I focused, solely, on the disrespect sent outwards towards me at the
> thought that *I* would vote for a woman for the sake of her being a
> woman--that would lead me down a slanted path as it would tend towards
> an emotion. However, I can look at the rhetoric spoken (she'll vote
> for her because she is a woman) and step back at that thought and
> wonder where it really comes from...and why. Unemotionally--separating
> the emotions from the viewpoints is how most Missourians <g> vote for
> candidates rather than the party...esp when we see the party going a
> direction that is not leading our state [or nation] towards an
> overarching goal of prosperity and happiness (for all) -- but perhaps
> you are one of those who cannot (will not?) ever look more widely than
> one or two single issues. I don't know. That's 'your stuff'...and not
> mine. But, perhaps that is why you won't go looking up Gary Bauer,
> Richard Land [esp], and James Dobson--or at least begin listening to
> the radio shows! <g>
>
> Stepping back and looking at the whole, I wish you the best,
> Marlena
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