--- On Mon, 31/1/11, Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> wrote: Donal wrote On a quibble: Tarski was not a "Polish logician" so much as Polish and a logician. He no more was a specifically Polish logician than he had a specifically Polish cell-structure or DNA or was a specifically right-handed logician. But we all knew this. RP: I think it might be fair to call him a Polish logician in a non-trivial sense (although I don't know if this is the sense JL has in mind). Tarski was a member of the Lvov-Warsaw School (of philosophy), begun by Kazimierz Twardowski, at the turn of the century in Lvov. This is fair and draws attention to an important school of thought. Nevertheless my quibble may be defended as based on the view that valid work in logic cannot reflect national characteristics - a view that may be reflected when 'Tarski once said “Religion [you can also say “ideology” — JW] divides people, logic brings them together.”' We might say that the universality of logic precludes it having specific local characteristics. But I admit it is not quite as simple as that, even in the case of logic: if we broaden 'national characteristics' to include certain cultural attitudes etc. we might find certain 'national characteristics' more conducive to and productive for work in developing logic, and even having an affect on how it is developed. However, this would invite explanation and the explanation would focus on what creates fertile ground for intellectual progress, and these grounds would be of wider application than the specific instance they explained. This is illustrated by the factors used to explain the productivity of the LWS, which include charismatic teachers, good organisation, a strong sense of (moral) purpose and the value of what was being done, inter-disciplinary openness and also intellectual rigour: the last perhaps best exemplified by the "Polish notation" (which, as Robert relates it, could well be a running gag in a Monty Python sketch, a la "The Spanish Inquisition"). So it still might be better to say it is only in a trivial sense that he was a Polish logician as opposed to an English one, but it was significant that he belonged to a specific Polish school of thought, the Lvov-Warsaw School (and not, say, the Vienna Circle or the ordinary language Oxford School). After all, the Lvov-Warsaw School could have included persons who were not Polish and had its own roots in Brentano and other non-Polish sources. It may be of interest that a highly productive school of thought may be founded on a strictly false idea or set of ideas - indeed, in the history of ideas this may be the rule rather than the exception. LWS may have had strictly false working assumptions about the role and basis of logic but they were productive of important work. The Stanford entry reads, for example: "A view, called anti-irrationalism by Ajdukiewicz, demanded that every rationally accepted proposition be intersubjectively communicable and testable." This is surely problematic for can this demand itself be tested, and, if not, it is therefore not itself a "rationally accepted proposition". Ajdukiewicz's anti-irrationalism bears comparison with the Vienna Circle's Verficationist Criterion of Meaning and opens itself to similar objections; yet while problematic, questionable and perhaps 'false' this "anti-irrationalism" may also have been a useful stance. Given that the imminent arrival of the Polish Notation once caused Robert to hide in the woods, I recall that members of LWS were slightly dumbfounded that the Oxford School could write about logic in essay-style using miminal or no notation but rather words, and that this could be a badge of honour. The difference may reflect a difference in underlying view as to how 'analysis of language' should be done: one view being that ordinary language itself is the tool most apt for analysing language, the other being that logic is [in a way the difference between the later and earlier Wittgenstein is a reflection of this difference]. Donal London ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html