[lit-ideas] Re: Altruism and Egoism: A Griceian Perspective

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Or how pirots karulise elatically (and baboons behave heroically): some  
simpler ways
 
Grice loved Kantotle. 
 
Kantotle possibly is most famous for his graffito: "Your best egoistic  
choice is to be an altruist". He said that in a mixture of Greek and German --  
and the phenomena may apply to baboons.
 
"If altruism gets displayed in self-sacrifice, egoism should possibly get  
displayed in other-sacrifice" (Geary, "Random thoughts on the Holy 
Trinity"). 
 
In a message dated 5/26/2014 5:44:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
"In the above post, Lawrence then goes on  to refer to humans and human 
altruism and does not bring in animals or other  organisms." But in a previous 
post, "Here Lawrence clearly refers to baboons."  ... "[O]nce his comments 
stray so as to encompass "baboons" then he is talking  of "group selection" 
where Darwinian principles apply."
 
For the record, here (b in ps) are the bibiliographical references to  
animals other than homo sapiens sapiens sapiens and baboons, as per "Biological 
 
altruism" that McEvoy and I were commenting. 
 
As the author (S. O.) notes, 'altruism' becomes a bit of a puzzling word  
when applied to the 'biological' unless we are ready to use the term in a way 
 'other' than what philosophers like Grice (ordinary language philosophers) 
 adore: to wit: ordinary language!
 
It may also do to look for the source of the baboon example, since the way  
it gets 'described' may tell the difference. As Wittgenstein noted, the way 
we  'describe' (apparently objectively) a piece of behaviour may already be 
loaded  with 'psychological' conceptualisations that belong to the observer 
rather than,  er, the baboon, or Simia hamadryas if you must (Linnaeus, 
1758)
 
 
Cheers
 
Speranza
 
(a) Helm: "One early author ... referred to a pair of adult baboon  males 
guarding their tribes passage up through a narrow passage where they would  
be safe for the night. The leopard came and they set upon it with  
precession. The leopard killed both of them, but before he did, one of them  
bit into 
the leopard’s jugular."
 
(b) 
 
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in Evolution, Cambridge University Press.
Bowles, S. and Gintis,  H., A Cooperative Species: Human Reciprocity and 
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Proceedings of the Royal Society B,  280.
Cronin, H., The Ant and the Peacock, Cambridge University  Press.
Dugatkin, L. A., Cooperation among Animals: an Evolutionary  Perspective, 
Oxford University Press.
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Hamilton, W. ‘Altruism and Related Phenomena,  mainly in the Social Insects’
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