[lit-ideas] Re: Al Zarqawi

  • From: Andy <min.erva@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:29:28 -0700 (PDT)

Likewise, if you'd offer some ideas, maybe you wouldn't have to attack.  Lead 
by example, Mike, show me how it's done.

Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> My point was that the sadness lies in the fact that the world created a 
>> Zarqawi in the first place. <<

Yes, but not by design. All of us are born into specific, particular 
circumstances. We live our lives dealing with those circumstances, they 
shape us. I have no doubt that Zarqawi believed he was doing God's will, 
just as George Bush does. Bush and Zarqawi -- shaped by the circumstances 
they were born into (which were opposites in many ways) -- turned out to be 
cut from the same cloth which they both called the cloak of necessity and 
which they wrapped themselves in as they ordered death to thousands. Our 
pre-emptive war in Iraq on fraudulent charges has killed more people than 
Zarqawi managed. But it was done for good reasons. So were Zarqawi's 
bloody murders. The destruction our government has visited upon those 
people is unforgivable in my book, and I would like to see the Bush 
Administration brought before a Court of International Justice. I seriously 
doubt that will every happen in my life time, but I believe such things are 
coming down the pike and that maybe my grandchildren will live to see such 

Of course "the world created a Zarqawi in the first place." The world 
creates us all. Without exception. I doubt that any on this list would 
refute that. 99% of the African American men sitting in jail right now are 
there because you and I sent them there. We, as white worlders, we're 
responsible, Irene. You're as guilty as all the rest of us. The guy who 
robs you should go to jail. That you and me and our gang have robbed him 
from the moment of his conception -- that's another matter. Of course "the 
world created a Zarqawi in the first place." But what do we do about that? 
Bush says Kill him. He would, being exactly like him. I doubt very many on 
this list don't see Zarqawi as the product of his history. Just as Bush is. 
And you are. And I am.

>> Yes, he was created, by humans, as others are being created right this 
>> very moment, and no one cares. <<

This is the kind of sentence that pisses me off when I read "Andy". Where 
do you, Andy, come off saying "no one cares"? Are you accusing the list 
members of not caring? Or are you speaking rhetorically about the human 
condition? Do you honestly think that no one on this list appreciates the 
psychological-social-economic-cultural forces at work that shape us all? 
Zarqawi turned to murder to effect his ideas. So did Bush. I abjure them 
both. I think Eric's Wicked Witch Song was sophomoric -- I remember when it 
was announced in the schools in Memphis that President Kennedy had been 
assassinated, in most of the white schools here, there was cheering and 
jubilation. Reading Eric, I thought of the video clips of Palestinians 
cheering and dancing in the streets on learning of the Twin Towers attack. 
We're all thirsty for revenge. Eric's song saddened me, your accusations 
angered me. You are not more knowing, nor more feeling, nor more caring, 
nor more human than the rest of us here. I am very sorry to be so blunt. I 
always liked Irene Cassidy. I admired her standing up to the Academes with 
no more letters after her name than I. She was opinionated, but not 
dismissive off everyone else as Andy often is -- or so he seems to me. I 
wish Irene would come back to the list. Again, I am sorry if this offends 
you or hurts your feelings. If you would just stop attacking, and offer 
your ideas instead, I think you'd find a friendly audience. Maybe even an 
amenable one.

Mike Geary

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