In a message dated 4/20/2011 2:51:27 P.M. , jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx refers to ajar: 1718, perhaps from Scottish dialectal a char "slightly open," earlier on char (early 16c.), from M.E. char, from O.E. cier "a turn." referring to McEvoy's lecture on redundancy: "I ignore what I ignore" McEvoy writtes: "[If] the "I know(1) I know(2)" is meant so that "know" (1) and (2) are the self-same mental state, ... the expression is redundant (and makes as little sense as 'Please close the door which is the door" ---- I know that p. I know that I know that p. No. It does not relate to the same mental 'state'. Someone may be ignorant of Gettier's analysis of 'knoweldge' as 'justified true belief'. "I know that p" --- as, as Grice says, 'when I say I know my name, or the way home." ---- "I know that I know" seems to require that you know what 'know' stands for. Mutatis mutandi, for 'ignorance': "I ignore that p." (Geary, "I ignore that the earth is flat.") "I ignore that I ignore that p." requires, at the very least, a course in agnotology -- "the science of ignorance", as defined by Prof. Proctor, of Stanford. Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html