A voice of reason. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: A Movie [longish] Date: 8/10/06 3:45:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: > It comes back to whether you believe, as a result of US and UK actions after > 9/11, the number of muslim fundamentalists has grown or subsided. that's one question but the other more important one is how many have been moved to violence. Robert Pape of Chicago, part of whose work on suicie bombers I summarised in an earlier post, has been briefing the regional heads of the FBI (I think I have that right, anyway, rather high-up FBI people); he said on the news tonight that they are not moved by religion, but by US/UK foreign policy. I'll see if I can find a link to the video Judy Evans, Cardiff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A Movie [longish] > So Paul, your initial 300 million has been slimmed down a bit to 'everyone > who stands in front of a group of 20,000 impressionable, young, pissed-off > men and says "kill the infidel because they are infidel" quotes inciting > scripture, instills them with a faith in almighty Allah that they are doing > his work, and then goes about giving them weapons, training them to make > bombs, and pays their families when they carry out 'jihad'.' > > Just how many would that be? > > What you should be concerned with is not the inciters (we have enough of > those in the west), but rather why it is that the rest would feel the need > to listen to them and take them seriously. To my mind, that 'why' is > concerned with how the west is perceived which in turn is shaped by how the > west acts. > > It comes back to whether you believe, as a result of US and UK actions after > 9/11, the number of muslim fundamentalists has grown or subsided. Though I > can't know myself, I would imagine that of all those people arrested this > morning, the vast majority would never have dreamt of taking part in such a > plan before 9/11 or before the Iraqi invasion. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html