Only the poor learn, er, teach at Oxford... (Arnold) Note that linguists prefer to say that a language, like a house, is _acquired_. It would be odd to say that a house (or a city, to which Witters compares a lingo -- by courtesy of R. P.) is _learned_. Ditto, "language learning" vs. "language acquisition" -- or "language loss" for that matter, as per Russian speakers who settle in New York and forget the proper declensions, etc.! What I learned from HPG. Burnyeat notes in an online essay that Witters perhaps never understood St (if we must) Augustine's "De Magisstro" ("His Latin left a lot to be desired -- by me"). Burnyeat finds inspiration in an Oxford don, H. P. G. whom he quotes profusely. McEvoy thinks that 'name' is possibly misused by Augustine -- and therefore, naturally, I would add, by Witters. Burneyat notes that one can teach by tell and by show. Similarly, one can learn. "The Toad, having finished his breakfast, picked up a stout stick and swung it vigorously, belabouring imaginary animals. `I'll learn 'em to steal my house!' he cried. `I'll learn 'em, I'll learn 'em!'" `Don't say "learn 'em," Toad,' said the Rat, greatly shocked. `It's not good English.' `What are you always nagging at Toad for?' inquired the Badger, rather peevishly. `What's the matter with his English? It's the same what I use myself, and if it's good enough for me, it ought to be good enough for you!' `I'm very sorry,' said the Rat humbly. `Only I THINK it ought to be "teach 'em," not "learn 'em."' `But we don't WANT to teach 'em,' replied the Badger. `We want to LEARN 'em--learn 'em, learn 'em! And what's more, we're going to DO it, too!' `Oh, very well, have it your own way,' said the Rat. He was getting rather muddled about it himself, and presently he retired into a corner, where he could be heard muttering, `Learn 'em, teach 'em, teach 'em, learn 'em!' till the Badger told him rather sharply to leave off. Cheers, Speranjza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html