[lit-ideas] Re: 21. century European anti-Semitism

  • From: "Steven G. Cameron" <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:16:25 -0400

**[Trying to avoid being unnecessarily contentious -- but a bit 
confused].  Are you separating the actions of the Church from those of 
Christians?? You suggest my resorting to a non-sequitor.  For me, there 
is a direct correlation between Christian behaviour (and the use of the 
"sword") while operating under the direction (both direct and indirect) 
of the Church. Didn't some priests actually wear/use swords??  Did the 
Church actively support the Crusades, Tomás de Torquemada??

TC,

/steve Cameron, NJ

Phil Enns wrote:

> Steve Cameron claims that we disagree because he suggests that instances
> where Christians have used the sword "with somewhat significant
> consequences to those who weren't Christians" count in considering
> whether the Church's change of position on the sword was a good or bad
> thing.  The matter is not one of disagreement or agreement but one of
> relevance.  To argue as Steve does is not unlike arguing that the
> 'somewhat significant consequences' to those who lived in Dresden has
> some bearing on the question of the State and the legitimacy of its
> waging war.  Steve is not disagreeing with me but engaging in a
> non-sequitor.  There is the issue of whether the use of the sword has a
> place in the life of the Church and then there is the issue of how
> Christians have used the sword in particular cases.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Phil Enns
> Toronto, ON
> 
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