In a message dated 1/3/2006 6:48:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Suddenly I see gay rights as civil rights. I fought for civil rights for black people. Now I fight for civil rights for gays. But if my son wasn't gay, I would not be thinking this way. I have a personal stake in seeing that my son is treated justly. How do you bring it home to people without a personal stake in it? Hi, Stan, Thanks for the post. Tonight was a night--so not much energy left ... but I do want to respond somewhat to your post. Mostly--just to point out--as far as I know, you are not Black. Yet, you say that you fought for civil rights for Blacks. Why? Did you have, really, a personal stake in it? (I'm guessing not, but you can make it more clear...) So, I will state that maybe you wouldn't be fighting so hard for civil rights for those who are gay--but I would imagine (just knowing who you are) that you would eventually have figured out that there was an equality issue--and that when people are people, there is a fairness issue to think about in terms of civil rights. I think you would have eventually 'fought' for gay civil rights. Maybe for a different reason than you are now--but you would have. Even within scouting, part of the Scout Oath is 'to help other people at all times'--so once the 'protective' side is dealt with and there is an assurance that the boys (and girls--for venturing is co-ed), will be safe and that there is a difference between what the NAMBLA-types of parties/groups state and conduct as the homosexual lifestyle [for that, actually, is the stereotype that you wondered at--for though a minority, they are vocal]--and the TRUE and mainstream gay lifestyle [which is like you/me/rest of us--we will (I think) find that many of those who have been confused will end up being the greatest advocates. and, absolutely it is scary to wonder if your kid is going to be okay. And, we all want our kids' lives to be smooth and easy. It's hard to face it when it is not that way--it's SO hard. It's also hard to accept that we cannot always make things 'okay'. That we are not ... who we think we are. (or something like that...) Part of what you are dealing with is what lots of parents have to deal with on a regular basis if they have had a child who is different/ill/etc at all. For some it is a loss of a dream--but for others, it is that protective spirit that wants to smooth and make better for those you love, most of all. When you find out that you cannot 'fix' everything--esp immediately--it's really hard to deal with, I grant you. Sidenote: You son IS fine. If he's lonely--just remember, it sounds like he is in a new city, far from home/friends [you said he has had lots, so we know he is social], from the East Coast and now in the Midwest [yes, there will be a cultural adjustment <wry look> ], he's working a lot/hard, etc. Those aspects of his life would cause anyone, gay or straight [for lack of a more quickly grasped term] to be lonely. Someone is going to know someone who will know someone--and he'll end up in and with a partner and be happier than you ever dreamed he could/would be. He/you need to just give it time and know that the issue is 'newness''. As far as your recognizing that you needed to do some more inside work [as Jung liked to term it <g>], Hey! Welcome to MY world! and, I THINK this might have been posted on this list in April (if not, then I have it from somewhere else...<g>...but I liked it enough to make a little plaque of it...). I like it because it reminds me to take what the Universe offers--good and bad--and give thanks. At least it helps me know that one can transmute the (seemingly) negative into positive. and, oh! I grant you...facing yourself, your shadow--is sometimes quite difficult...but oh--it is worth it! Well worth it...so keep on growing... Guest House This being human is a guest house Every morning a new arrival. A joy, a depression, a meanness, some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor. Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they are a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight. The dark thought, the sham, the malice, meet them at the door laughing, and invite them in. Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond. by Rumi Best, Marlena in Missouri