--- christopher payne <cp3crow@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello, > Mr. Kuntz, > I have tried to reread over some of your posts and > have gone to your website > and I can't quite figure out how you fit here on > organic architecture. > Please tell us how does what you are doing fit with > using natural > unmanufactured raw materials or reusing materials in > building a home that > have been manufactured for another purpose but are > now considered waste? > > Have you or are you building "organic" or simply > natural homes? > What are your building panels made out of? > I am at a bit of a loss to figure out where you are > comming from. Please > help me. > > thanks. > chris > 3crow (:> (:> (:> On doing serious inquirey using Yahoo search functions and keywords such as ecology, green building, alternative building, building materials, etc., yahoo produced a number of groups, as many as 1100+, as fits for my search. I looked at every one of them. A serious number had less than five members or no messages posted in the past 6 months or so. Of the total number of groups looked at I joined 30 of them. Because yahoo only allows joining 10 groups per day, it took several days. Organic architecture fit some of my search criteria. It was not a perfect fit, but Bamboo PLantations is not a perfect fit either. Some groups did not allow me to even read their archives before joining, and after my membership process was completed I found that they were not to my interest and I quit. My website http://ecosyn.us covers only part of my interests, and perhaps none of yours. The name is a contraction of "Ecological SynergyTM", which I have been writing about for five years. In 1974 I visited Steve Baer's home in Corrales, New Mexico, USA, and photographed it and wrote it up for my publication "Tribal Messanger" published out of Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Baer's Zomeworks was legendary in the alternative building community back then, and his energy recycling systems were efficient, simple and state-of-the-art at that time. I do not accept the language-police authority to confiscate words and hold them in perpetuity. I recognize no groups' ownership of language. A lengthy exchange of messages about "what is Organic Architecture" was of no interest to me, as it seemed to be language police passing laws about word definitions and usage. Organic Architecture to me has a fundamental purpose in serving the needs of human beings for an average species lifespan of 20,000 generations. The average species duration is 5 million years. If humans are assumed to have been a species since spliting from a proto-species shared by the chimps, then the 5 million is just about up, but if humans are considered to be fire-using, tool-making, language-using, then there are almost 5 million years to go. Any architecture which inserts poison into the biosphere threatens to cut short that tenure. Any architecture which uses up essential resources faster than substitutes can be provided shortens that tenure. Any architecture which endangers masses of co-species (biodiversity loss) or damages the life-support systems upon which human life evolved to depend, shortens that tenure. Any architecture which shortens the tenure is not organic architecture, regardless of what self-appointed language police declare. Organic architecture is in service to humanity, increasing its bliss and decreasing its woes. What makes it organic is not the materials, but the human brain which is clever enough to figure out how to not commit global suicide. By choosing materials and methods which serve the purposes, impact the environment with the least toxic emissions, least biodiversity loss, least consumption of materials of kinds which cannot be easily replaced, is "organic architecture" in the sense that organic humans get to live out their full species lifetime (barring asteroid hits). A subset of people have convinced themselves that their choices in architecture is fine and dandy, but it doesn't pass the 20,000 generations test, so it is not organic architecture in my world. One of the ways that architecture can serve humanity is to provide the weather shelter function, efficiently and comfortably, using materials which have low impacts per year of service. Materials with 100 years of service may have double the pollution loads of materials which need renewal every 30 years, and the long-lived material is more environmentally friendly than the shorter lived by a considerable amount. Many people in the "Organic Architecture" group are fond of Buckminster Fuller's geodesic dome. However, while Fuller mentioned his domes in some of his books, he mentioned "synergy" in all of his books and lectures. As he said, over and over, there is only one word, "synergy" in the english language which means what it means, so if people don't even know that word, than they can't know what it means. Often concisely stated: "synergy means the whole is greater than the sum of the parts", or "synergy means emergent properties of the whole which cannot be predicted by knowing everything there is to know about the parts". Synergy is more than these two simple encapsulations. Synergy in architecture is combining the maximum amount of multipurpose systems to provide a full array of satisfactions while minimizing the unpleasant byproducts. Septic systems leak nutrients into the watertables and cause eutrophication of lakes, streams and ocean shores. My architecture eliminates septic systems: that is "organic architecture". Municipal sewer systems mix industrial, residential and stormwaters, mingling 40,000 chemicals and hospital infectious disease ward toilet flushes. My architecture eliminates municipal sewage systems: that is organic architecture. Composting toilets can preserve, instead of disinfect, pathogens in feces. My architecture pasteurizes, then dehydrates feces daily using solar or stored-solar energy. That is organic architecture. The energy systems, the heating systems, the cooling systems, the plumbing systems, the sewage treatment systems REQUIRE synergy. It is not an unexpected emergent outcome, but a measurable predictable outcome, and the language police have mislead us all on the meaning of synergy. Language police are not serving the 20,000 generations of oncoming unborn generations. The incoming are real, even though not yet present. Their needs have to be represented today, and spokespersons speak for their needs in the councils of the world today. The needs of 30,000,000 co-species are real, not hypothetical. Architecture which plans for the satisfaction of the needs for today as well as the needs of all the tomorrows, without compromising on delivery of the satisfactions sought, is organic architecture. My website and world-wide-writings are all about organic architecture. Here's what a practising and teaching architect said about my proposal for ecocity: http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/proc.html http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/SPD-topic.htm#8 http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/SPD-log3.htm#148 "As far as specific projects are concerned, if our company financing proceeds as we expect, I hope to be able to integrate with Lion Kuntz¹s People¹s Palace project, and am considering how this might best be accomplished. My particular interest, other than his outstanding work on developing the overall People¹s Palace concepts, is in the photovoltaic breeder, and his micro-farming components. I believe that both of these should be an integral part of any real effort to create an ecological community, whatever size it may be." http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/panel.html http://www.globalecovillage.com/dev_team/phil_hawes_01.htm Sincerely, Lion Kuntz Santa Rosa, California, USA http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Challenges/Asia_Floods/Wet/All_Wet.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com