[lifesaviors] Thermodynamics

From: "Lion Kuntz" <lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Art Krenzel" <phoenix98604@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:54:11 -0800
 
I enjoyed reading your message. I need time to assimilate the presentation.
Have you tracked the carbon content of the wood (perhaps you did but I
missedseeing that. I must point out that whenever my bloodsugar goes over
3.5times higher than normal (HYPERglycemia) I become dyslexic and do not
evennotice it. Then things which I would ordinarily see become invisible to
me, or vice versa). 

At first glance it bears similarities to the thermodynamics I have suggested
as core infrastructure for Palaces for the People. Ammonia is poisonous, and
I only put an ammonia-icemaker on my webpage to illustrate the idea that hot
can make ice. The icemaker I showed is a totally passive design, but with
active energy to power a small compressor motor, other refrigerants become
usable. 

In a large building (which stores 7 million liters/quarts of water), stored
fuel is not a problem. Solar electrolysis acting on H2O produces H2 and O2
gases. The H2 expands considerably. Water is a tightly bound molecule: H2
molecules are mutually repulsive positive ions. Three moles of water produce
two moles of H2 and one mole of O2. Translated in terms of volume, three
grams (CCs, milliliters) produce 22 liters of H2 gas. The storage of fuel as
liquid H2O is compact. The liberation of H2, underwater in a sealed chamber
produces gas pressure. The gas pressure can force displacement of H2O to
liftwater up to the 6th floor and provide pressurized delivery of water at
the tap, as city people are used to, using only solid state devices. No
moving parts at all. 

Actually, valving is required to maintain water and gas pressures, and these
constitute moving parts, but the are virtually frictionless movements,
simpledesigns, easily replaced, easily cast. 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Krenzel" 
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:38:38 -0700
To: 
Subject: New topic

Lion,   I have enjoyed reading your well thought-out solutions on the
eco-city design net discussions.   I would like to add some specific
information regarding a new stove that I am designing which I feel you might
find interesting.  Of course, to a Chemical Engineer, the whole world looks
like flaming energy but I would like to outline my concepts.   In most
energydesigns, the stored fuel becomes a major issue.  I say the issue is
minor when you consider trees as stored solar energy.  Trees are stable,
already invented, renewable, readily stored and familiar.  To this Chemical
Engineer, trees represent an optimium renewable fuel source if burned
properly and all of the heat recovered down to room temperature.   I am
designing a wood burning stove which can produce electricity, refrigeration,
energy for cooking, heat for the home, hot water and warm air food drying
using only two moving parts.  It only needs to be fed once per day and
balances all the production of energy automatically by the use of mechanical
dampers.    The trick to the design is the use of counter current heat
extraction and cascading waste energy streams where the waste energy from
oneprocess becomes the feed energy for another, lower energy process.  In
this design, there is no new technology which has yet to be invented.  It
combines the processes of gasification (for efficient combustion),
thermoelectrics (for electricity), ammonia process refrigeration (for food
cooling), hot oil griddle for cooking, waste heat for all hot water
applications including heating and in the end, warm air for preservation of
food by drying.  It is designed with the minimal requirement for attention
other than daily feeding, weekly ash removal and annual heat exchanger
cleaning.  Most of the heat transfer occurs using fully contained, high
temperature oils so there is no maintenance required at all in those
sections.  Since the system runs 24 hours per day, excess ele ctricty
produced at night could be temporarily stored in batteries to provide a
source for peak energy consumption.  If the electrical load was even higher
than the system could provide, it could be supplemented with PV power during
the day.   With a small tree farm, appropriate to the size building and
design efficiency, sufficient renewable wood would be provided for the
annualneeds of a family.   Want one?   Let me know your thoughts.   Art
Krenzel -- 

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