[lifesaviors] Fw: PALACES - some calculation, just for your information

  • From: "Lion Kuntz" <lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lifesaviors@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:53:58 -0800

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juergen Paulussen" <juergen.paulussen@xxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:04:07 +0200
To: lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: PALACES - some calculation, just for your information

> To Lion Kuntz 2003-06-26
> lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> Hallo,
> 
> Attached please find some calculations and comments on your PALACES proposal -
> from my background as urban planner. Regarding the social and cultural 
> aspects of urban residential, I estimate no very big change in consumer 
> values and preferences during the next decade. PALACES target to competite 
> with other kinds of residential, so some standards should be considered - in 
> this case e.g. the "depth" of the living area.
> Due to this, I found some lower figures for living space and population 
> density.
> Of course, these figures relate to the location, where a PALACE is supposed 
> to be built. In a desert area, people probably prefer indoor with just a few 
> windows, while in other regions more natural light and outlook is requested.
> 
> Might be the population density figure you gave should be lowered (about 
> 700/ha). I think, the figures I found are even quite high (17000-34000 capita 
> per sqkm total urban area, pending on the average living space per capita).
> 
> What is the figure of a typical US-City, considering the definite urban area, 
> not the municipal area, which often includes vast agricultural and natural 
> areas?
> 
> "Case 4" is based on a slightly modified design - there is not much 
> difference to the square.
> Might be, the terraces can be reduced a little, or some light yards added. 
> 
> By the way, even in Europe a couple of residential buildings with "pyramid"-
> or "hill"- design similar to the "PALACE"-outline have been realized in
> during the last 30-40 years - without your holistic approach of course. The
> core was considered to hold parking and some public and service functions,
> but no general labour space. This can be improved, because meanwhile labour
> structure changed considerably.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Juergen Paulussen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ecocity Editor" <foo@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ET-PARTI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:35 PM
> Subject: [PANEL-D] PP: "Palaces for the People"
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Lion Kuntz" <lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: "Palaces Proposal  Final Summation"
> >
> >
> >
> > First Approximation Materials Requirements
> > Palaces for the People
> > ======================
> >
> >
> > There are no blueprints or engineering studies for the as yet
> > hypothetical Palaces for the People.
> >
> > A totally arbitrary figure of one hectare was assumed. This figure was
> > derived from the fact that it is similar in dimensions to average square
> > city blocks in many cities. Since most people do not have intuitive
> > grasp of many common metric units, adopting a standard square hectare
> > size and shape allows residents and neighbors to have a "yardstick" to
> > judge what a hectare really means.
> >
> > For a similar reason, 3 meters height per floor was adopted, again
> > totally arbitrary.
> >
> > A working figure (perhaps to be modified extensively as planning
> > progresses) of six stories or floors was adopted. The floor areas are
> > numbered from the ground up, and the enclosed portions of lot area are
> > as follows:
> >
> >    Floor 1: 100%, 1 hectare = 100 meters by 100 meters,
> >    Floor 2: 100%, 1 hectare = 100 meters by 100 meters,
> >    Floor 3:  64%, 80 meters by 80 meters,
> >    Floor 4:  36%, 60 meters by 60 meters,
> >    Floor 5:  16%, 40 meters by 40 meters,
> >    Floor 6:   4%, 20 meters by 20 meters,
> >    --------------------------------------
> >    total FAR 3.2 (Floor Area Ratio to lot size)
> >
> > 3.2 hectares of interior floor space, gross figure, does not take into
> > account wall thicknesses subtracting from usable space, other
> > adjustments, etc.
> >
> > There is also one basement of yet to be determined size, and perhaps
> > sub-basement rooms for infrastructure.
> >
> > Building is constructed of load-bearing walls and pillars, supporting
> > spanning trusses.
> >
> > The initial goal is to calculate a rough figure of materials needed to
> > build the structural shell, so as to acquire an initial ballpark
> > estimate of materials costs. These are pure materials costs, not
> > counting labor for construction.
> >
> > The idea is to get some idea of the fixed-costs of building a structure.
> > For interim working figure, a value of 1/3rd costs are assigned to
> > materials, 1/3rd to construction labor, and 1/3rd to land acquisition,
> > financing, permits, fees, etc.
> >
> > If somebody has better information which can make these numbers and
> > values more accurate, please speak up without delay.
> >
> > "It is interesting that at the present time, twenty-two years later, the
> > U.S. government is specifying in its bids for space structures the octet
> > truss (my copyrighted trademark name) for all the main structuring for
> > space stations" _Buckminster Fuller
> >
> > The Octet Truss is considered strong enough to service in the most
> > hostile environment human beings have ever entered (vacuum space), but
> > is not in common use in large public buildings.
> >
> > Buckminster Fuller introduced the Octet Truss, which he called the
> > isotropic vector matrix.
> > http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/octet.html
> > http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/ivm.html
> > http://www.tabletoptelephone.com/~hopspage/Fuller.html
> > http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/Graphics/octet-truss-003-v1.
> > png
> >
> > Here are pictures of the Museum of Modern Art Fuller Octet Truss
> > exhibit.
> > http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Moma.htm
> > http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/exhibit.htm
> >
> >
> > sidebar: reinforced pozzolana-crete ----------
> > "Appropriate Use Of Pozzolana Derived From Appropriate Use Of Pozzolana
> > Derived From
> > Agro-waste Using Labour-Based Appropriate Agro-waste Using Labour-Based
> > Appropriate
> > Technology Technology"
> > <URL Begins>
> > http://www.transport-links.org/transport_links/ifg/CD%202/IFG_presentati
> > ons/Minimising%20the%20Cost%20of%20Sustainable%20Rural%20Access/Pozzolan
> > a%20From%20Agro-waste%20Using%20Labour-Based%20Technology.pdf
> > <URL ends>
> >
> > (If the Cambodians can produce Pozzolana on villiage scale labor-based
> > appropriate technology, what's your excuse?)
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > The Octet Truss is a gender-friendly construction method which does more
> > with less. Capable of being built indoors in any weather as components
> > of prefabricated units, Octet Truss modules can be built onsite or
> > pre-fabricated offsite prior to final assembly. Using less than a tenth
> > the steel content, the Octet Truss dispenses with enormous quantities of
> > mass and weight which otherwise impose crushing burdens on lower
> > supporting floors. One-tenth the weight, twice as strong.
> >
> > It is a strenuous burden on contemporary imaginations to conceive of a
> > society with ample solar energy available. Palaces, equiped with one or
> > two megawatts of daily power, converting some into electrolyzed hydrogen
> > gas (H2), will have both electric and gas available for welding,
> > smelting, and foundry work.
> >
> > Solar PV Breeder farms will generate so much solar PV electricity that
> > they will breed more solar PV panels, hence the name. The refuse of a
> > Palace will go down the gullets of furnaces: glass to become glass
> > fibers (fiberglas reinforcements, lightpipes, data conduction fibers) or
> > glass bricks, or further purified to become SOG PV feedstock, steel cans
> > will be melted into rebar rods for Octet Trusses, aluminum cans will be
> > melted for refabrication into solar panel support structures, and as
> > wire for electrification purposes.
> >
> > The synergies between the Palaces, the Solar PV breeders, and the ecosyn
> > microfarms will produce a virtually wasteless society.
> >
> > This is the development and prototyping project that the small working
> > group has signed on for.
> >
> > Computing the least amount of materials sufficient for Palaces and PV
> > Breeders, plus computing the reliable food security of microfarming
> > techniques, is the immediate tasks at hand.
> >
> > The tasks themselves dictate some of the sequences of procedure. Speak
> > up if you notice anything too vague or out of proper order.
> >
> >
> > Thank You for your interest,
> > Lion Kuntz
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
<< calculations on LION KUNTZ proposal.xls >>

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