----- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Paulussen" <juergen.paulussen@xxxxxx> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:04:07 +0200 To: lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx Subject: PALACES - some calculation, just for your information > To Lion Kuntz 2003-06-26 > lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx > > > Hallo, > > Attached please find some calculations and comments on your PALACES proposal - > from my background as urban planner. Regarding the social and cultural > aspects of urban residential, I estimate no very big change in consumer > values and preferences during the next decade. PALACES target to competite > with other kinds of residential, so some standards should be considered - in > this case e.g. the "depth" of the living area. > Due to this, I found some lower figures for living space and population > density. > Of course, these figures relate to the location, where a PALACE is supposed > to be built. In a desert area, people probably prefer indoor with just a few > windows, while in other regions more natural light and outlook is requested. > > Might be the population density figure you gave should be lowered (about > 700/ha). I think, the figures I found are even quite high (17000-34000 capita > per sqkm total urban area, pending on the average living space per capita). > > What is the figure of a typical US-City, considering the definite urban area, > not the municipal area, which often includes vast agricultural and natural > areas? > > "Case 4" is based on a slightly modified design - there is not much > difference to the square. > Might be, the terraces can be reduced a little, or some light yards added. > > By the way, even in Europe a couple of residential buildings with "pyramid"- > or "hill"- design similar to the "PALACE"-outline have been realized in > during the last 30-40 years - without your holistic approach of course. The > core was considered to hold parking and some public and service functions, > but no general labour space. This can be improved, because meanwhile labour > structure changed considerably. > > > Best regards, > > Juergen Paulussen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ecocity Editor" <foo@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <ET-PARTI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:35 PM > Subject: [PANEL-D] PP: "Palaces for the People" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Lion Kuntz" <lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: "Palaces Proposal Final Summation" > > > > > > > > First Approximation Materials Requirements > > Palaces for the People > > ====================== > > > > > > There are no blueprints or engineering studies for the as yet > > hypothetical Palaces for the People. > > > > A totally arbitrary figure of one hectare was assumed. This figure was > > derived from the fact that it is similar in dimensions to average square > > city blocks in many cities. Since most people do not have intuitive > > grasp of many common metric units, adopting a standard square hectare > > size and shape allows residents and neighbors to have a "yardstick" to > > judge what a hectare really means. > > > > For a similar reason, 3 meters height per floor was adopted, again > > totally arbitrary. > > > > A working figure (perhaps to be modified extensively as planning > > progresses) of six stories or floors was adopted. The floor areas are > > numbered from the ground up, and the enclosed portions of lot area are > > as follows: > > > > Floor 1: 100%, 1 hectare = 100 meters by 100 meters, > > Floor 2: 100%, 1 hectare = 100 meters by 100 meters, > > Floor 3: 64%, 80 meters by 80 meters, > > Floor 4: 36%, 60 meters by 60 meters, > > Floor 5: 16%, 40 meters by 40 meters, > > Floor 6: 4%, 20 meters by 20 meters, > > -------------------------------------- > > total FAR 3.2 (Floor Area Ratio to lot size) > > > > 3.2 hectares of interior floor space, gross figure, does not take into > > account wall thicknesses subtracting from usable space, other > > adjustments, etc. > > > > There is also one basement of yet to be determined size, and perhaps > > sub-basement rooms for infrastructure. > > > > Building is constructed of load-bearing walls and pillars, supporting > > spanning trusses. > > > > The initial goal is to calculate a rough figure of materials needed to > > build the structural shell, so as to acquire an initial ballpark > > estimate of materials costs. These are pure materials costs, not > > counting labor for construction. > > > > The idea is to get some idea of the fixed-costs of building a structure. > > For interim working figure, a value of 1/3rd costs are assigned to > > materials, 1/3rd to construction labor, and 1/3rd to land acquisition, > > financing, permits, fees, etc. > > > > If somebody has better information which can make these numbers and > > values more accurate, please speak up without delay. > > > > "It is interesting that at the present time, twenty-two years later, the > > U.S. government is specifying in its bids for space structures the octet > > truss (my copyrighted trademark name) for all the main structuring for > > space stations" _Buckminster Fuller > > > > The Octet Truss is considered strong enough to service in the most > > hostile environment human beings have ever entered (vacuum space), but > > is not in common use in large public buildings. > > > > Buckminster Fuller introduced the Octet Truss, which he called the > > isotropic vector matrix. > > http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/octet.html > > http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/ivm.html > > http://www.tabletoptelephone.com/~hopspage/Fuller.html > > http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/Graphics/octet-truss-003-v1. > > png > > > > Here are pictures of the Museum of Modern Art Fuller Octet Truss > > exhibit. > > http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Moma.htm > > http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/exhibit.htm > > > > > > sidebar: reinforced pozzolana-crete ---------- > > "Appropriate Use Of Pozzolana Derived From Appropriate Use Of Pozzolana > > Derived From > > Agro-waste Using Labour-Based Appropriate Agro-waste Using Labour-Based > > Appropriate > > Technology Technology" > > <URL Begins> > > http://www.transport-links.org/transport_links/ifg/CD%202/IFG_presentati > > ons/Minimising%20the%20Cost%20of%20Sustainable%20Rural%20Access/Pozzolan > > a%20From%20Agro-waste%20Using%20Labour-Based%20Technology.pdf > > <URL ends> > > > > (If the Cambodians can produce Pozzolana on villiage scale labor-based > > appropriate technology, what's your excuse?) > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > The Octet Truss is a gender-friendly construction method which does more > > with less. Capable of being built indoors in any weather as components > > of prefabricated units, Octet Truss modules can be built onsite or > > pre-fabricated offsite prior to final assembly. Using less than a tenth > > the steel content, the Octet Truss dispenses with enormous quantities of > > mass and weight which otherwise impose crushing burdens on lower > > supporting floors. One-tenth the weight, twice as strong. > > > > It is a strenuous burden on contemporary imaginations to conceive of a > > society with ample solar energy available. Palaces, equiped with one or > > two megawatts of daily power, converting some into electrolyzed hydrogen > > gas (H2), will have both electric and gas available for welding, > > smelting, and foundry work. > > > > Solar PV Breeder farms will generate so much solar PV electricity that > > they will breed more solar PV panels, hence the name. The refuse of a > > Palace will go down the gullets of furnaces: glass to become glass > > fibers (fiberglas reinforcements, lightpipes, data conduction fibers) or > > glass bricks, or further purified to become SOG PV feedstock, steel cans > > will be melted into rebar rods for Octet Trusses, aluminum cans will be > > melted for refabrication into solar panel support structures, and as > > wire for electrification purposes. > > > > The synergies between the Palaces, the Solar PV breeders, and the ecosyn > > microfarms will produce a virtually wasteless society. > > > > This is the development and prototyping project that the small working > > group has signed on for. > > > > Computing the least amount of materials sufficient for Palaces and PV > > Breeders, plus computing the reliable food security of microfarming > > techniques, is the immediate tasks at hand. > > > > The tasks themselves dictate some of the sequences of procedure. Speak > > up if you notice anything too vague or out of proper order. > > > > > > Thank You for your interest, > > Lion Kuntz > > > > > > > > > << calculations on LION KUNTZ proposal.xls >> -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers