Since yahoo mail and yahoogroups mail unexpectedly truncates long messages, this reply to Scott's points is presented in parts: PART 2 of 4 > I would also get rid > of the thousand links > you have at the bottom of each page. Tst, Tsk. Links on the bottom of the page are totally out of your way, and no bother to anyone not looking for something to complain about. These links are on the bottom of every page of yahoomail: Mail - Address Book - Calendar - Notepad Address Book · Auctions · Autos · Briefcase · Calendar · Chat · Classifieds · Finance · Games · Geocities · Greetings · Groups · Health · Horoscopes · HotJobs · Kids · Mail · Maps · Member Directory · Messenger · Mobile · Movies · Music · My Yahoo! · News · PayDirect · Personals · Pets · Photos · Platinum · Shopping · Sports · TV · Travel · Weather · Yellow Pages · more... My links help me get higher rankings in the search engines. "Palaces For The People" holds the 6th through 60th positions on http://www.google.com (the world's most used search engine) because google counts links to pages to rank them. I can't make you put links to my pages on YOUR pages, but I do have control over MY pages. Without these links on the bottom of the pages, the top 180 hits on a google search would take you to various bookstore catalog pages offering an obscure book called "Palaces For The People" which is Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1,663,616 in the frigging basement. Why should I ask people to wade through page after page of obscure book links to locate one of my links when I have it within my intelligent power to uplift myself. It is this kind of application of intelligence versus superficial anal retentive rule-following is why "Palaces For The People" will succeed. Each time I use the phrase "Palaces For The People" in my yahoogroups mail, or show the links: http://www.ecosyn.us/Interesting/ http://www.ecosyn.us/Ecovillage/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Palaces4People/ http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Proposal/Palaces_For_The_People.html ... I am being RELEVENT to future building technology and competing against an obscure IRRELEVENT book which was only published in August 2003, 8 months after I started using the phrase. TOMORROW this email will be linked to on google.com, when many webmasters wait months to get a new page spidered. Intelligence is why my Palaces For The People will succeed, and an obscure book about obsolete housing technology will not bury it. > Put one link > at the bottom to your > table of contents, one to your links directory and > one to your home page. > When you are making a claim in your text and you > have a link to back it up, > put the link inline with the text. Anal-retentive rule-making for suicidal failure. No thanks. > Your first page is kind of a mess. My first page is whichever page I send you to first. You still have not gotten clear on the concept that hypertext has no first page. None, nada, never, ziltch, zero. My "splash page" http://www.ecosyn.us is NEVER the first page I refer anybody to, and it exists only to pretend to be a splash page. > Put one or two > pictures of your > proposed palaces and some introductory text there. You haven't gotten clear on the concept that Palaces For The People is only one leg of a tripod plan, which includes Solar PV Breeders technology (both stand-alone, and integrated into Palaces For The People), and "Ecological-SynergyTM" which is an advanced microfarming technology set to produce more on less space than ever before. I referred you to ONE page for feedback, and you went and criticised a whole website without ever visiting three-fourths of the pages on the site. I have more than ONE splash page, or entry portal, which I furnish to different people whom have different interests. Sooner or later, links on the bottom of the pages cross-link to mesh the three tripod legs, but feedback has shown me not to do a data core-dump on people and give them too much data on too many subjects at once. It is HARD introducing hundreds of new technological breakthrough at once. For one thing jealous people think I am grandstanding when the facts are that I am concealing 99% of the new stuff to keep it simple for them. > Put a link to the > challenges, put a link to the solutions, maybe a > couple other high level > links. Get rid of your ecocyn.us, welcome background > bitmap on the lower > part of the page it just is annoying and in the way. The 5th International Ecocity Conference and post conference forum is over. http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/proc.html http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/SPD-log1.htm http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ecocity03/SPD-topic.htm#29 I could get rid of that cool background, except that the two pages it is on are not ones I refer people to as data links. The Challenges page does have a news selector links table, but most people are in denial about the state of the world and do not want confirmation from 4,000 news services eyewitness reports on the ground. Things are not as bad as it seems: they are much much worse, and 2003 is the year for doing something constructive. Rather than working collectively to fix what is wrong in the world, I find people shoot the messenger with the bad news (me and my pages of "doom and apocalypic visions" as people have emailed me). > On your first page > and overall in your site, use plain text in your > link descriptions, not > just the URL. Skimming through 2 dozen URLS looking > for something that > might answer a question is annoying. A person programmed to look for annoyances is going to find them no matter what I do. How is any of this feedback on the marathon effort of building models to illustrate http://www.ecosyn.us/Ecovillage/ which I specifically asked feedback on? > Build your pages like your fractal Ziggurats. Each > topic is a pyramid > sitting on other topic pyramids. When you talk about > water, I think a > concise overview should be presented first with > embedded links to all the > numbers and caculations and links that back up your > claims. Let the person > reading your site decide what is interesting to > them. > > When a link is unavailable, put it in a different > color or say something > like "coming soon" Do I presume you mean 100 MPG hyperlight car link? http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/06/26_supermileage.html http://www.tapplastics.com/applications/app_detail.php?aid=3&; Here: go look at an uncomfortable hyperlight car which got a measured 1,068 miles per gallon in front of credible witnesses. Then imagine it made comfortable and getting only 1/10th the mileage. Then draw up the plans for a 100 MPG hyperlight car, and I will give you webspace to post it. OR, you can just wait 'til I get to it. Sincerely, Lion Kuntz Santa Rosa, California, USA. PS: google reports: Searched the web for "Palaces for the People". Results 1 - 100 of about 365. Search took 0.75 seconds http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22Palaces+For+the+People%22 ... this is up from 232 when I started this educational campaign two weeks ago. So at least some part of the program is working. Ain't intelligence grand? Wonder what the numbers will be tomorrow? http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Challenges/Asia_Floods/Wet/All_Wet.html http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Challenges/Asia_Floods/Asia_Floods.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com