Susan, I have availed myself of your permission to post this on the list. There are Nemeth braille transcribers there who can aniwer this question much better than I can. I'm glad to finally be able to concentrate on programming. John ----- Forwarded message from Susan Jolly <easjolly@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ----- Subject: Chemistry Arrows From: Susan Jolly <easjolly@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:23:21 -0600 To: "'John J. Boyer'" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hi John, I was reading the latest on the liblouis list today and, speaking as a chemist, I wonder if it is possible to introduce some common sense into the braille representation of chemistry arrows. (Please feel free to post this.) These arrows are simple compact symbols in print and it seems confusing for them to be so complex in braille. Let me focus on the equilibrium arrow in particular. When I first studied chemistry, we just used an equals mark rather than an equilibrium arrow. I've also seen a double-headed arrow used to show chemical equilibrium. Also a right-pointing arrow written vertically above a left-pointing arrow. In the last case, where the arrows are physically one above the other in print, it's a bit simpler to omit the lower arrowhead on the top arrow and upper arrowhead on the bottom arrow just so the symbol is more compact. However, this is purely for visual appearance. There is no special chemical meaning to using the harpoon rather than a full arrowhead. I would suggest that to make a chemistry text readable, the $[77o spear be used for the equilibrium arrow in chemistry. This most resembles the print symbol. Susan ----- End forwarded message ----- -- John J. boyer; President, Chief Software Developer JJB Software, Inc. http://www.jjb-software.com Madison, WI USA Developing software for people with disabilities For a description of the software and to download it go to http://www.jjb-software.com