Hi Greg,
First of all, I will explain how to use the hyphenation table once it has been
made:
1. Use the include opcode to include the hyphenation table at the bottom of the
table file, i.e. after all contraction rules.
2. Replace relevant partword opcodes with nocross, and delete all lines that
specify syllables and exceptions.
In principal, that is it. You will find that the contraction rules are much
simpler and easier to read and debug, because the hyphenation table takes care
of all the exceptions.
Currently, the nocross code works like partword, with the addition that the
contraction may not cross a syllable boundary. I have earlier suggested that
nocross should be a prefix to other opcodes. In that way, we could also use it
with begword and endword etc.
Also, it is good to keep in mind that the so-called hyphenation table can be
used for other things than strictly hyphenating. There may be situations where
a given contraction is not allowed, even if it is within the same syllable. In
Danish, for instance, the "ve" contraction is 3456, same as numsign. So, the
rule says that this contraction can not be used at the beginning of a word, if
the word might then be mistaken for a number. So, in my hyphenation list, I
have contraptions like v-e-ga and v-e-da, which solves the problem very nicely.
In this case, it would actually be good to be able to say something like
"nocross begword ve 3456".
Using this approach, perhaps there would have been no need to remove the "ble"
contraction from UEB in the first place.
The difficult thing is of course creating the hyphenation table. I will collect
the relevant references and write another mail about this.
Hope it is useful.
Bue
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[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] På vegne af Gregory Kearney
Sendt: 11. januar 2016 19:47
Til: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: SV: Re: UEB G2 translation of "reverse".
PLease give me more information, or direct me to information as to creating
this file and I will generate it from my list.
Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
Greg Kearney, General Manager
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On Jan 11, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Bue Vester-Andersen <bue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi,
You could make a hyphenation file using that table and use that streight away
with liblouis. I have done that with Danish grade 2, and it gives
tremendously accurate results. Much better than making an actual liblouis
table with the words and syllables and exceptions and exceptions to the
exceptions.
If I can help in the process, please tell me.
Bue
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[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] På vegne af Gregory Kearney
Sendt: 11. januar 2016 18:31
Til: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UEB G2 translation of "reverse".
Syllables are very important in UEB. I have a table of over 160,000 English
words broken by syllable if we need it.
Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
Greg Kearney, General Manager
#320, 185-911 Yates Street
Victoria, BC V8V 4Y9
CANADA
Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
U.S. Address
21908 Almaden Av.
Cupertino, CA 95014
UNITED STATES
Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
Uh oh, we need to add the following:
Syllable verse 1236-12456-234-15
In en-ueb-g2.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rasmussen,
Lloyd
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:24 AM
To: 'liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' <liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UEB G2 translation of "reverse".
I checked with a local UEB expert, and she agrees that this is a bug.
Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library
of Congress
Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls/
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
the Library of Congress, NLS.
From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jake Kyle
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:17 AM
To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UEB G2 translation of "reverse".
I’m not an expert either but this could be relevant:
Rules of Unified English Braille (ICEB 2013)
Section 10.7.4 says:
Use the initial-letter contraction for "ever" when the stress is on the
first "e" and when the letters are not preceded by "e" or "i".
An example they give when it shouldn’t be used is:
eversion ⠑⠧⠻⠨⠝
"reverse" similarly has the emphasis on the second "e" so it would seem as
if "ever" contraction should not be used in this case.
Jake Kyle
www.compassbraille.org
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From: Rasmussen, Lloyd
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:46 PM
To: 'liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UEB G2 translation of "reverse".
I don't know the exact rules, but many contractions are allowed in UEB which
were not allowed in EBAE. For example, "sphere" can be written "s p dot-5
h".
Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library
of Congress
Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls/
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
the Library of Congress, NLS.
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From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:43 PM
To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] UEB G2 translation of "reverse".
Using en-ueb-g2, the word "reverse" is being translated using "ever" rather
than just 'er". I'm not a UEB expert, but I'm suspecting that this is
incorrect.
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