[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:58:55 -0500
Jeff,
Thanks. That worked. The file could have been sent as plain sext, but
the zipped file was about 1/4 the size. Thanks for your work in making
this a really good table!
John
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05:51AM -0500, Jeff Dittel wrote:
> John, I have attached NemethDefs.cti zipped up - hopefully this will go
> through for you. I added the missing bookend 9's and cleaned up a few
> (looks like copy) errors in only the arrow section.
>
> BTW: Give credit to Mike, since he did the bulk of the work, and thanks
> again Mike.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Dittel, President
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> Boyer
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:11 PM
> To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
>
> Jeff,
>
> By all means send it to me. I'm really tickled to see other people
> working on translation tables. You may get acknowledged in the AUTHORS
> file in the next version.
>
> The 9's actually represent an unbreakable space, so the formatter won't
> break a line at this point unless it has no choice. I may replace them
> with virtual dot a, which is like the hexadecimal representation of
>
> unbreakable space and is less likely to be confused with tab.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 03:38:39PM -0500, Jeff Dittel wrote:
> > Excellent. Thanks for your help.
> >
> > I added the book end 9's to the arrows that didn't have them, and added
> the
> > missing barb indicators to the NemethDefs.cti file. John, should I send
> > this to you to put into the next version? Or, should I just keep this and
> > manage it for my stuff?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Jeff Dittel, President
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Britlan, Ltd.
> > 516 East Birch Avenue
> > Whitefish Bay, WI 53217
> > jeff@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > U.S. Office: (414)962-2281
> > Costa Rica Office: (414)290-0574
> >
> >
> >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > > From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> > > Sivill
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:25 PM
> > > To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
> > >
> > > Yes, according to the rule that's how it should be.
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > > From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff
> > > Dittel
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:01 PM
> > > To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > OK, what you have in the NemethMath.cti is:
> > >
> > > math \X21CC 1246-25-25-4-135-1246-246-25-25 RIGHTWARDS HARPOON OVER
> > > LEFTWARDS HARPOON
> > >
> > > There is no dot 6 to indicate the bottom arrow barb, so should this line
> > > be:
> > >
> > > math \X21CC 9-1246-25-25-4-135-1246-6-246-25-25-9 RIGHTWARDS HARPOON
> OVER
> > > LEFTWARDS HARPOON
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your help,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Jeff Dittel, President
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Britlan, Ltd.
> > > 516 East Birch Avenue
> > > Whitefish Bay, WI 53217
> > > jeff@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > U.S. Office: (414)962-2281
> > > Costa Rica Office: (414)290-0574
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > > From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> > > Sivill
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:20 PM
> > > To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
> > >
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > The Nemeth book I am using is the publication year 1988 by APH. It is in
> 5
> > > volumes and has a chapter just on constructing arrows. It has this type
> of
> > > barb listed this way: dot 4 signifies that the top half of the barb is
> > > present while dot 6 signifies the bottom half. Maybe you have a newer
> > > revision but it seems that something should indicate that it is a
> harpoon
> > > and not a full arrow point.
> > >
> > > Dot 9 is set as a virtual dot so LibLouis knows that is either a space
> or
> > > a string boundary. In this particular entry I think I just forgot to put
> > > the dot 9's on.
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > > From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff
> > > Dittel
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:03 AM
> > > To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > I got your file, and have a couple of questions on the arrows I am using
> > > for chemical reactions. Here are the two lines in your file which I
> have
> > > questions:
> > >
> > > math \x2192 9-1246-135-9 RIGHTWARDS ARROW
> > >
> > > Why is the Braille symbol have book ends of 9 rather than 0? I assume
> > > that 0 means a space. What does 9 mean?
> > >
> > > math \X21CC 1246-25-25-4-135-1246-246-25-25 RIGHTWARDS HARPOON OVER
> > > LEFTWARDS HARPOON
> > >
> > > Why does this arrow not have 9 or 0 at the beginning and end?
> > > Is the dot 4 correct between the right and left harpoon Braille
> > > translation? From what I have read in the Nemeth book there should be
> no
> > > dot 4 there.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Jeff Dittel, President
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Britlan, Ltd.
> > > 516 East Birch Avenue
> > > Whitefish Bay, WI 53217
> > > jeff@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > U.S. Office: (414)962-2281
> > > Costa Rica Office: (414)290-0574
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > > From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> > > Sivill
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:33 AM
> > > To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: New characters
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > I have a table that has all of these symbols defined. I will attach it
> to
> > > this message and you should just replace the pre-existing one in the
> > > tables directory. The filename is nemethdefs.cti
> > > Mike << File: nemethdefs.cti >>
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > > From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff
> > > Dittel
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:33 PM
> > > To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] New characters
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am trying to translate simple chemical reactions, which standard
> Nemeth
> > > addresses. It seems that the Braille translation for the yield and
> > > equilibrium symbols are not defined. Could someone tell me all the
> places
> > > I need to add these two characters? The Braille and XML character codes
> > > are:
> > >
> > > Yield:
> > > → dots 1246-135
> > > Equilibrium:
> > > ⇌ dots 1246-25-25-135-1246-246-25-25
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Jeff Dittel, President
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Britlan, Ltd.
> > > 516 East Birch Avenue
> > > Whitefish Bay, WI 53217
> > > jeff@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > U.S. Office: (414)962-2281
> > > Costa Rica Office: (414)290-0574
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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