Hi list and John, Yes, the element symbol of symbol should be surrounded by spaces. As for the other symbol, I am having trouble finding it; do you know what it's actually used for? Any other name that it may go by? Thanks, Mike -----Original Message----- From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J. Boyer Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:00 PM To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Need Some Dot Patterns Especially for Mike Sivill, 1. Shouldn't the elemnt-of symbol, dots 4-15, be surrounded by spaces? 2. What is the dot pattern for \x2102 My Unicode list says It's a capital C struck through twice. It occurs a lot in this linear algebra book I found online. Thanks, John -- John J. boyer; President, Chief Software Developer JJB Software, Inc. http://www.jjb-software.com Madison, WI USA Developing software for people with disabilities For a description of the software and to download it go to http://www.jjb-software.com For a description of the software and to download it go to http://www.jjb-software.com