[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: BANA to UEB
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:48:21 -0500
Hi Greg,
I've just begun thinking about this. The best way to start might be to
include chardefs.ct. Then write rules to transform BANA to UEB where
they differ. I don't think there will be a great many rules. You may
have to take into account that in standard brf files the letters and
some symbols are in upper case.
John
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:40:23AM +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:
> While I have done text to Braille tables I have never attempted a Braille to
> Braille table. Do you have any sample or suggestions for approaching this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
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> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>
> Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
> includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive
> and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of
> frontiers.
> Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
>
> On 14/08/2012, at 10:15 AM, "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > The approach I recommend is to make up a new table to go directly from
> > BANA Braille to UEB. This should not be difficult.
> >
> > It would also be a good idea to switch frrom liblouisxml to
> > liblouisutdml. It has many new features and bug fixes. liblouisxml is no
> > longer under developmennt.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:05:22AM +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >> True but any time you go through the translator you stand the chance of
> >> introduction of errors better to do it once rather than three times.
> >>
> >> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> >> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> >> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> >> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> >> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> >> Email: greg.kearney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
> >> includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
> >> receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless
> >> of frontiers.
> >> Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> >>
> >> On 14/08/2012, at 9:56 AM, "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Another note. the lbu_translateFile and lbu_backTranslateFile functionns
> >>> in liblouisutdml or their methods in the Java bindings give much better
> >>> results than using the liblouis functions directly.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:13:27AM +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >>>> I am including some sample to the group. The issue is that taking a
> >>>> braille ready file, translating it to plain text and then back into
> >>>> braille is rather like having google translate french to english and
> >>>> then back to french again.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are four files in the zip archive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cleartext.txt is the original ascii text file from which BANA.brf was
> >>>> made.
> >>>> BANA.brf is the resulting BANA encoded Braille file
> >>>> Cleartext-translated.txt is the result of reverse translating BANA.brf
> >>>> back into ascii text
> >>>> UEB.brf is the result of translating the Cleartext-translated.txt into
> >>>> UEB coded Braille
> >>>>
> >>>> As can be seen the process of back translating braille to text and back
> >>>> into braille results in many errors. Also remember that in most cases we
> >>>> do not have access to the original clear text versions of these file and
> >>>> must work from BANA encoded Braille ready files which is why we need a
> >>>> method or reliably converting BANA brf files to UEB brf files.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is going to be a much bigger issue than you first might think given
> >>>> that both Canada and the U.K. have switch to UEB and there is pressure
> >>>> for the U.S. to do so as well. There will be a great deal of Braille
> >>>> ready files that will need to be converted.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for your interest.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> >>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> >>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
> >>>> 6100
> >>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> >>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> >>>> Email: greg.kearney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
> >>>> includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
> >>>> receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
> >>>> regardless of frontiers.
> >>>> Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14/08/2012, at 3:38 AM, Mesar Hameed <mesar.hameed@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Gregory,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you could share your data/tests
> >>>>> maybe one of us can spot the reason(s) for the backtranslation failures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mesar
> >>>>> On Fri 10/08/12,16:11, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm thinking about some method of doing a first cut of BANA code
> >>>>>> braille into UEB. I tried doing a back translate but the results were
> >>>>>> not very good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> >>>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> >>>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
> >>>>>> 6100
> >>>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> >>>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> >>>>>> Email: greg.kearney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this
> >>>>>> right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to
> >>>>>> seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
> >>>>>> regardless of frontiers.
> >>>>>> Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>>>>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>>>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>>>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
> >>> Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> >>> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>> Madison, Wisconsin USA
> >>> Developing software for people with disabilities
> >>>
> >>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>
> >> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >
> > --
> > John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
> > Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> > http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > Madison, Wisconsin USA
> > Developing software for people with disabilities
> >
> > For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
--
John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
For a description of the software, to download it and links to
project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
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