Dear Ted, If it is not an eye grabbing photo from the start , it is true what you say: leave it. Still I made a last link just before reading your mail, as it was printed on barriet ... I even used them on my first women's portrait exhibition. They werethe first series with a model and a Leica . Now we are at least six years later . Maybe it is not good to go back for comparison. Actually it al started about style in my latetst photos and links : http://fotos.designing.be/Tabithatwo http://fotos.designing.be/Tabithathree/ And Philippes tip to look at Studio Harcourt . http://www.studio-harcourt.eu/50.php Hope you'll confront me further. I would have loved to be at your workshop!! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Grant To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: [LRflex] Re: normal grayscale , as it was Linda Vermeiren showed & asked: Subject: [LRflex] normal grayscale , as it was >>http://fotos.designing.be/Sandra%20grayscale/<<< Good morning Linda, I hate to give you an "old timers advice" so hang on! This applies to any photograph regardless whom the photographer is. Trust me I've learned the hard-way and finally it sunk in after a great number of wasted "trying to fix it in the darkroom hours!" It also applies to digital in my face on the screen. When we have an exposure we knock ourselves out for hours working on it trying to "save it or make it work" the sad part is, "in many cases there isn't an eye popping content to start with!" The worst part unfortunately? In our mind we keep thinking there's something there. Maybe something! Be it content or look of image - tone or whatever. But no matter how hard we try to make it look exciting or the "perfect tones," we never come up with an eye grabbing picture. You are not alone, we all do this at times as photographers and darkroom technicians. It may have something that keeps us knocking our head on the darkroom table trying to make a "neat photo out of it" But the truth is "it doesn't, isn't going to, so forget it!" Move on to a better photo that grabs one by the guts and you feel all tingly it looks so cool! Basically any photographer trying to make something out of nothing and been trying hard, harder and wasted hours of time and sheets of paper, looked at it from every angle and it still doesn't work? Close our eyes and drop it in file 13 waste basket! We're all better off to take camera in hand and seek a new moment! If not we merely waste our time with nothing before us. Nor will it ever grab your heart and make it sing! This is a hard decision to make at times, but eventually we learn it as the hard truth and move on. ted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM