Hi Phil I don't want to prolong the off-topic slant, but: you said: BTW: The Swiss also had tremendous problems a couple of years ago when watches went electric/tronic. Here again they made the right choices to face Asian competition; Swatch is just one example, but other more expensive brands are also thriving on high-end mechanical time-pieces. The Swiss were in deep trouble earlier than that - the 1976 oil crisis caused a massive slump in sales, and many Swiss companies were effectively bankrupt then (competition had decimated profits in a saturated market). In the History of Tissot, there are photographs of large crates full of watches (without straps) being sent for scrap in 1976/7, because they could not be sold. Four years later, as the 'proper' electronic watches started to become popular, they decided to shut down some 80-90% of their industry. Now they (a) can't keep up with demand for mechanical watches, and (b) can't attract new blood into the industry. It's easy to over-react!! FYI: Swatch is a part of SMH Group, owned by Nicolas Hayek, of Smart car fame. Also in the Group are: Omega, Tissot, Lanco, Lemania, ETA, to name the active ones. Most expensive mech watches now have ETA movements - e.g. Breitling, TAG-Heuer, Mido, Longines, etc., as well as SMH Group members. Rolex (as I understand it) is South African-owned, IWC, Zenith -Movado, Oris are largely US owned; TAG is Saudi owned. Scary what can happen if you get it wrong, isn't it? Gun cameras: ever tried walking into an airport carrying one...? ;-) Seriously, they are likely to be made illegal here shortly: but who is going to try to rob a bank based on carrying in a WWI Lewis-gun camera? The danger is, it seems, that our poor police are likely to shoot anyone carrying a gun camera in public, so they need to be protected from such trauma. And, finally - your history lesson! May I just add the comment: over the main entrance to Auschwitz nowadays is a quote of, as I remember, Schiller: "If we allow history to be forgotten, it will happen again." When I'm over this Detroit bug - I'm still poorly, and my wife is suffering, too - I'll get some more pics to post. Maybe I should post some from my youth....... Cheers Keith ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/