Dave Saalsaa offered wisely! :-) >>>> Somehow, mature sounds so much nicer than old.<<<<<< Absolutely right on Dave! :-) For example, which sounds better... "He's an old guy." Or "He's a gentleman of mature age." :-) With these descriptions we immediately see the first as some unkempt ass dragging ruffled haired old fart. The second? A well groomed straight of stance and twinkle in his eye when a fine looking woman walks by. ;-) Young Old fart!:-) Take your pick and use your youthful imaginations. :-) :-) Ted the terrible on a very fine Friday afternoon enjoying a Vodka cooler under the shade of the sun umbrella! :-) Oh yes and an M8 ready just in case the damn deer come in my yard again after my flowers. Not sure whether to shoot them with the M8 or use it swinging wildly at them. :-) Have a nice weekend all. ted