[LRflex] Re: WAS Leicaflex NOW fascination gone

  • From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@xxxxxxx>
  • To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:12:46 -0700


On May 23, 2009, at 2:09 PM, William B. Abbott III wrote:


Steve,

Unfortunately, I think you are most likely correct . . .
They've said too much, and implied, or led us to believe, far more than they can now deliver. 

All will be revealed, sooner or later.



for sure...


and likely the S2 is where all the action is, for better or worse....

a gamble, appears more so now than before,

Steve








Best,

Bill

On May 23, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:



On May 23, 2009, at 11:47 AM, William B. Abbott III wrote:


Phililppe, Douglas, Doug,
The late Sam Rayburn, who was the Speaker of our House of Representatives in the early 1940s, once remarked, 

"You never have to retract what you don't say."

Maybe the Leica people have learned his lesson.


but they have already said too much...

that's often what happens Bill...

the less they have to say, the more they talk....


Steve





Bill


On May 23, 2009, at 3:06 AM, AMARD philippe wrote:




On Sat, 23 May 2009 11:43:16 +0200
Douglas Sharp wrote:
> Aha!
> Put mildly, Proletenbande oder Bauerntölpel in German -
>oh well, Leica will probably soon become a virtual
>company :-)
>

With a niche ...
I had asked if there was still sort of cooperation with Pana - the G1 had Pana on its lenses 
They said yes on the PS.
On the development of an R10?
They proudly had developed the S2 by themselves (big boys).
When asked if the S2 sensor was included, they said Kodak had ...
Pressed to answer if the same kind of cooperation -either with Kodak or Pana - was in the pipeline on the R10, we got this vapourware answer, and then on our insistance, blank. 
Full blank,
Long blank,
then exit.

Others might see it as Leica protecting secrets,
RIP Rs is my conclusion.

Ph








> Douglas
>
> Miha Golobic wrote:
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ce sont des Ploucs!
>>
>>
>> I did check it in google translate and got a very juicy
>>translation -
>> we use it here as well :-))) Sorry for the experience.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Miha
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/23 AMARD philippe
>> >
>>
>> The Leica folks - three of them - just said that
>>asking questions
>> about the R10 was talking about vaporware.
>> We insisted, kiddidoc Steve and I, to no avail.
>> They wouln't comment, then left the virtual room not
>>even saying
>> they were going.
>>
>> Ce sont des Ploucs!
>> I can't translate this, but it certainly is no very
>>positive
>> comment on their behaviour.
>>
>> So frustrating
>> I'm checking the G1 and D700 now.
>> Bien amicalement
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:49:26 +0200
>> Miha Golobic wrote:
>> >>
>> >> BTW; Steve and I were on a live talk with Leica
>>people
>> >>yesterday, and we
>> >> tried to squeeze information on the R10.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Philippe, could you tell us more? It would be
>>extremely
>> >interesting.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Miha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/5/22 AMARD philippe
>> >
>> >> I didn't know - but it is not so surprising as
>>the
>> >>Leicaflex may have
>> >> been thought of as the heir to the M series.
>> >>
>> >> BTW; Steve and I were on a live talk with Leica
>>people
>> >>yesterday, and we
>> >> tried to squeeze information on the R10.
>> >> One of them answered us that asking questions
>>about an
>> >>R10 was, I quote,
>> >> 'vaporware'.
>> >> So the heir/R deceased before the parent.
>> >> Sad news.
>> >>
>> >> Enjoy the SL while there's film around.
>> >> Bien cordialement
>> >> Philippe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 22 May 2009 19:07:40 +0200
>> >> Miha Golobic wrote:
>> >> > Dear flexers,
>> >> > I'm passing you (as suggested by Doug Herr) my
>>newly
>> >> >discovered findings on
>> >> > the Leicaflex SL viewfinder:
>> >> >
>> >> > I have just recently discovered another virtue
>>of the
>> >> >SL: the magnification
>> >> > of the viewfinder, combined with a 50mm lens
>> >>(summicron,
>> >> >in my case) gives *
>> >> > identical* magnification and brightnes as the
>>naked
>> >>eye.
>> >> >In other words: it
>> >> > is very easy to use both eyes open when
>>composing a
>> >> >photo. With some
>> >> > practise, you see *one* 3D picture, and a
>> >>undistracting
>> >> >black frame (the
>> >> > viewfinder). And because of the nature of the
>> >>microprism
>> >> >(a split prism
>> >> > would be a distraction), it is very easy to
>>focus in
>> >> >that way, too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course, this only works with a 50mm lens. I
>>somehow
>> >> >believe that the
>> >> > magnification and the viefinder arrangement was
>>done
>> >> >with this practice of
>> >> > taking photographs in mind, yet I have not
>>noticed
>> >> >anyone would mention
>> >> > that. Have anyone else noticed this?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Best regards,
>> >> > Miha
>> >>
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