Guys I have other thought. =20 Barbie dolls are collectible, it is true as it is easy to maintain and = I saw a 100 years old teddy bear and it is still in good condition. But = the question for DMR is, how long it can last? Those electronics items are = not predictable, I have a TV works fine for 4 years and dead one day = suddenly, and few other electronics appliances were not working suddenly. No sure = for Dlsr and DMRs, but I guess five years is maximum already. for such short life cycle, it should be a consumable item, the one way to maximize the value is : use it, use it and use it. So the average click cost will be lower, may be 10 cent one click^_^ Best Regards=20 tt =20 -----Original Message----- From: leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:leicareflex-bounce@freelists. org] On Behalf Of David Young Sent: 2007=C4=EA2=D4=C29=C8=D5 9:19 To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [LRflex] The DMR as a Collectible. Juan wrote: >I think David's points are well taken. When an expensive product one=20 >owns goes out of production, there is bound to be some trepidation. >In this case, however, the demise of the DMR is inconsequential as long = >as Leica remains committed to the R line. > >They will support (are not they bound by law to do so?) the DMR for a=20 >number of years-- in the world of digital, many more years than the=20 >current happy owners of DMRs will be using them. No matter how much of=20 >a great picture-taking machine it is, it is a safe bet that almost all=20 >of today's DMR users would have been using something else 5 years from=20 >now anyway. THAT is the nature of the digital beast (it was not at all=20 >the same with film cameras). > >As resale value is concerned, it is another safe bet it will keep it=20 >much better than any other digital product. You cannot find a Contax N=20 >digital for less than US 3000, while the Canon 1D is 1400 at KEH... And William Lamb said: > > Dream on. Another digital doorstop like the rest. Whether the DMRs hold their value or not, is inconsequential to me. I = shoot about 5000 to 6000 photos a year. A roll of film, with processing, is = about $20, or about 80 cents per photo. At 5000 shots per year, that's $4000 = per year. In two years, I've saved $8000 over film costs, and the DMR did = not cost me that. Now it's true, I spend some money on prints, but much = less than you'd think. So, lets say I spend $500 per year on prints, and do = the math. Two years film savings. $8000 less prints -1000 Savings =3D7000 Cost of DMR -6000 net savings -1000 and this assumes I throw the DMR away! Of course, if I hold off for a = third year, the equation changes considerably! However, there is a more important aspect to this idea that DMR's might = hold their value better than the average digital. Collector value. A friend of mine - an auctioneer and an expert in collectibles - once = told me that the essence of collecting lies in scarcity. But there have to = be "enough". For instance, if there is only one of something, it is not collectible. Because, if you want it, and the guy who has it does not = wish to sell... game over. Barbie dolls are collectible, because although millions are made, there = are tons of varieties where only a relatively small number are made. And = most of those are played with by children, and damaged or=20 destroyed. What's left become collectible. Old Comic books are the=20 same... millions were printed, but most were destroyed by their readers = and many of what were not were thrown away by mothers cleaning their college-aged kids rooms! Thus they are scarce (at least, in good to = mint condition) but enough have survived to make them collectible. I don't know how many DMRs have been made, but my guess is under or near 3,000. I base this on the serial numbers I've seen, and the fact that = only about 30,000 R8 & R9's are in active use. Only a fool would build one = for every R8 & R9 and hope that every owner would buy one! Five to 15% = would seem more logical. (It's this low number, over which to spread the development costs, that forced the relatively high price of the DMR.) Given their price, most will survive - because we will look after them. Some will fail, although that has not been a big problem, to date. Some = will be damaged or destroyed in house fires, car crashes, accidental drops = and floods (such as mine, flooded out in the Solms factory), etc. The = remaining ones will still number enough that only a couple of thousand (at best) collectors will ever be able to have one. Scarce enough to be = collectible ... not so scarce that you cannot get one, if you're willing to pay. The perfect formula for collectibility. The reason that other digital products become doorstops is simply = because far too many are made... if you want one, you can get it at the flea = market for $10! As they are discarded, and enter the landfills, eventually = only a relatively few will remain... and at some future date, those units may become collectible. But, like the works of a dead artist, DMRs are = becoming collectible - now. --- David Young, Logan Lake, CANADA Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/ Personal Web-pages: = http://www3. telus.net/~telyt ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/ ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/