I've been looking for one of the Cokin Creative Ring Flashes! The first time I looked on ebay, they were going for over $100 and I declined to bid on it. Now that I have gotten over the sticker shock, I haven't seen one since. A manual macro flash would be fine with the R8/9 since they have manual TTL flash metering. I figured that I would sit down with a grey card, meter each distance with the 100 and 60 macros, and make a quick reference card for the back of the flash, although that would vary with how you are using the heads. According to one book I read, (Schaefer?), if you attach a manual flash to the front of your macro lens (he screwed a hotshoe onto a metal lens hood), once you determine the f-stop for your film/lens combination, the light loss from extension of the lens (bellows or tube) offsets the brightness increase from being closer, so the expoure doesn't change. I presume that would not hold for the 100 APO since it is one of those fancy part-zoom lens designs where the focal length shortens as you focus closer. IIRC, the 100 APO is more like 70mm at closest focusing distance, so at closest distance it doesn't actually have that much more working distance than the 60mm! If you don't believe, and have both lenses, try comparing them! IIRC, back in the day, Leica recommended the 2x with 50mm Summicron and longer, although it was particularly optimised for the 135mm Elmarit and the 180mm APO. They may have not recommended it with old zoom. I'm starting to ramble like Rabiner. Must be the Mad Cow. Tom Schofield --- NATSTEK@xxxxxxx wrote: > David, Chris, > You just have to watch > out for your & the > camera's shadow. I solved that by using a Cokin > creative, 3-head, semi-ringflash > setup. The light sensor is at the bottom front of > the flash unit, right next to > the flash tubes. Not quite, but almost as good as > TTL Ringflash RBA (Which IS > almost impossible to find). > > Hope this tidbit of info helps. > > > Art Tafil ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/