David My commiserations, too. Perhaps it rubbed shoulders with my R3s!! If I were you, I'd keep the letter down to no more than a couple of carefully-worded pages, offering more information if required. When it's lengthy, it tends to reduce the impact. I would be inclined not to make any threats, but point out that this saga is very much in the (Leica-buying) public eye by virtue of this forum. And copy the letter to the Marketing Director. For my half-penn'orth, this smacks of a software issue. Maybe it's looking for a signal for too short a slot, or doesn't take account of jitter, timing tolerances, etc., misses it, and gets stuck in a loop looking for the non-existent signal (live-lock), particularly since it is an initialisation problem. Could also be an alignment issue when the back is fitted to the body - tolerances! (Maybe that's what LNJ were thinking when they asked for your camera body too!) But I'm more inclined to think software, from my experience of such things. Doug: Love the steam train pictures. Nothing quite like steam trains for atmosphere. And the Novoflex Tamron: looks like a handy piece of kit. The old Russian 'Photo-sniper' and Novoflex follow-focus units used to be popular didn't they? Especially among press photographers. But...do you have the b**ls to walk into an airport carrying it? Or even to walk through a town centre carrying it? Not sure I would these days! Reminds me of a friend who made a Kentucky rifle from a kit, many years ago. He made a lovely job of it; since it could fire, he tried it out, but then hung it on his living room wall. The policeman who came to inspect his safes (he was a pistol shooter - as indeed I was) saw it and said' Can it fire?' 'Yes' 'Then you'll have to lock it away.' 'But it's a flintlock - who'd rob a bank with a flintlock?' ' Don't care, you either lock it away, or it's confiscated.' After all his loving work making it, you can imagine his feelings..... And that was long before Hungerford, or Dunblane, or Virginia Tech. An item of news. It seems that Christie's in South Kensington are to cease holding photographic collectibles auctions after the imminent one. They say that the market is shrinking; the only interested people are elderly, therefore also shrinking in numbers; and their profits aren't worth the effort. Interestingly, Age Concern also state that the most rapid take-up of digital camera technology has been among the elderly and old. Seems they like not having to think about taking pictures, just point and shoot. H'mmm. Cheers Keith Longmore PS- no-one have any ideas yet about what cameras I used to take the Cyprus/TRNC shots? Come on folks! No prizes, but maybe surprises... www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/keith+longmore ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/