[LRflex] Re: Now, to boost the sales for the R10, if ever it comes, it should come with...

  • From: Richard Ward <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:30:51 -0500

Hi Xavier,
I'm sorry I didn't get the sarcasm nor the tongue in cheek intent of your post. 
I am also bummed you had such woes while strolling around the service menus of 
your camera. Trust me, I dearly know what you felt coping with that yellow 
triangle, my experience was with a pc fighting tooth and nail to not run well 
after an operating system conversion, but 'google' heard me muttering dear god 
help me find what to try next. I am glad you got the camera back to health, 
bythe way.

Turning to iPhones, software, and walled gardens! :-) 
a) the only camera less awkward to use, hold, and take pictures with than an 
iPhone is an iPad! And the only thing worse than THAT is a frackin monorail! 
And YES I have used all three... I am not being hyperbolous. Well, maybe a 
little! :-). 
b) Setting aside ergonomics and camera image quality: I sincerely believe Apple 
has unequivocably demonstrated a way for NiCanTax et al to put their 
engineering efforts into the hardware of their cameras and limit their software 
endeavour to making or porting an Operating System for their hardware so the 
basic tasks of image capture, writing to memory cards, showing previews, and 
choosing basic camera settings like ISO are built in. Then all the fancy stuff 
like art filters, esoteric auto hdr shooting, auto panorama stitching, etc etc 
are things camera buyers can add to their camera later.
c)  Even better for a camera maker, they don't have to write all the frackin 
code themselves for all the dang cameras by doing what apple does with it's app 
store. Freelance independent companies write the apps them selves and submit 
them to the oem to sell in the store. The oem only has to run a suite of bench 
tests to see if the app bricks a camera etc and then collect their commission 
when people buy the app. 

By the way, I make no claim to coming up with this concept for camera apps like 
this. I have read various permutations of it conceptualized on a couple 
different photography blogs over the last few years.

Sincerely
Richard Ward

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On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Bille Xavier F. <hot_billexf@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Richard, Aram, All, In fact you are both right.  My post was a tad 
> sarcastic, although I find those hackers having a lot of genius, what they do 
> with the Pana GF2 is a bit strange to understand For the past 20 years, a 
> camera was for taking pictures and now it's a base for software 
> exploration.... The latest Olympus OMD M5 is ultimately customizable, using 
> the finger on a touch screen.  Just managed to get back in working order the 
> Digilux 3: while checking the Service menu on it, I have pushed the wrong 
> combination of buttons. As a result, an ugly yellow triangle instead of the 
> Leica Red logo and the camera stuck in the service mode, oooops :( I googled 
> a bit and found out that the solution was in the service manual. Pfffffew :) 
> Not sure if our cameras should look like an Apple phone MHO It is useless to 
> create an entry in the menus for the firmware version but at least, all the 
> information of the shutter counts, the number of power on, etc should not be 
> hidden in some ca
> balistic menu but in a simple combination of buttons. In the same register, a 
> set of key to launch a low level format of the SD card with Cluster checks. 
> This is rarely used, no need to put it in a user interface menu. Well, sorry 
> for the waste of bandwidth, these are considerations more "System 
> Engineering" than "photography".
> -------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Xavier F. BILLE
> 
> Maisons Alfort
> France.
> 
>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Now, to boost the sales for the R10, if ever it comes, 
>> it should come with...
>> From: ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:49:10 -0500
>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> 
>> Sorry Xavier, 
>> I am with Aram on this. While I find incredible merit in the concept of 
>> being able to change the software in one's camera, I find the linkage to a 
>> prospective R10 to be tenuous at best. Were one to write a top ten list of 
>> must have features of an R10, five of them would be that the apeture 
>> functions the Aram Describes. One look at how well Zeiss Lenses for AF 
>> camera sell offering 'true' aperture operation combined with blissful manual 
>> focus and the WHY becomes completely obvious.
>> 
>> Once again let me state the concept you point towards, Xavier, is imho going 
>> to happen. The iPhone is completely and utterly validating the concept. 
>> Apple has shown that it is possible to provide a functioning and stable 
>> operating system to allow the hardware and software to get along well then 
>> create a walled garden marketplace to equally outsource camera feature 
>> writing, protect customers from hamfisted app writers, and make money off 
>> every last app bought and sold. 
>> 
>> Sincerely
>> Richard in Michigan
>> 
>> _____________________________________
>> 
>> My Sarcasm Fu Is Strong,
>> Proceed With Caution.  :-)
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>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:14 AM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hacking to provide features is one thing, but it all comes down to making 
>>> an 
>>> R adapter with some kind of position detector/solenoid that allows the 
>>> camera to detect what f-stop the lens is set to, and to allow it to stop 
>>> the 
>>> lens down when the shutter is depressed.  Anything short of that and you 
>>> might as well just be doing what I have been doing, adapting the lens to 
>>> existing cameras of your choosing.
>>> 
>>> Aram
>>> 
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